If we lose Sat. Should Moyes be sacked?

[Moomin]

People scoffing at the idea, probably lead the idea if we lose vs Fulham, Man Utd and Newcastle. 1 win in 8, ask again when if it becomes 1 win in 11. All comes down to results.

I didn't want him back.

Wanted him gone after last season.

I'd like him gone this summer.

For me, he's Roy Hodgson to Oliver Glasner. This club needed something new from the summer, instead we looked back.

But, I don't think we should sack him during the season (*Unless, we fall into the bottom 3 - already over 25% into the season, we can't be doing that knowing even if we lose the next couple, we still likely arent in the bottom 3).

So Moyes in for this season for now, and I'm confident we'll get the results to secure magnificent midtable.

If Moyes is gone in the summer you would be rejecting any signings he wants this upcoming window.

I personally think he is on a knifes edge due to how TFG have acted with Roma. A few more poor results and he will be pushed off the edge.

Wouldn't be shocked if it comes out in a while that we have been sounding out potential new managers.

 

[The Binman]

People can scoff all they like but the facts are if we do lose to Fulham then we are very likely to be in the bottom 3 by Christmas with the upcoming fixtures. There is absolutely no way he would keep his job in that scenario.

Does Christmas start next week??

Asking for Santa, he may have his timings wrong.

Losing to Fulham doesn’t mean anything, apart from 3 points lost.

 

[MikeH72]

Does Christmas start next week??

Asking for Santa, he may have his timings wrong.

Losing to Fulham doesn’t mean anything, apart from 3 points lost.

Well no, if it started next week then we wouldn’t be in the bottom 3 regardless would we? That’s kinda not what I said if you re-read it again extra carefully.

And yes it does. It definitely does.

 

[Drico]

Ancelotti himself told us he couldn’t work with our crap players. If that wasn’t a bellwether for our fans to start looking at the bigger picture rather than “hurr durr trofeeee cabinet” then I don’t know what is.

What a manager has won with Real Madrid has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on their suitability to be Everton manager. Zidane would be an awful Everton manager who would be sacked within a year, whereas some 38 year old from the Austrian Bundesliga who nobody’s heard of could be exactly what we need. This is what these “competent professionals” are paid to do by the way, conduct thorough research and find these managers.

Carlo would have been perfect for the Friedkins - because he would have been backed sustainably, unlike under Moshiri where he had a splurge and then...nothing. And he wouldn't have put up with the crap players for longer than necessary - which is precisely what we need our next manager not to put up with. I've no more toleration for Mykolenko... But I'm agreeing with you. Our fans want it both ways: if somebody hasn't got a "proven record", then he's not for us. If he has a proven record, like Carlo, he's not for us either.

The point is, "proven records" mean very little either way. We need our competent professionals to make smart calls. This is indeed what they are paid for. If Kinnear signs a dud next time, he needs the bullet. These fellas must be held to account, just as they hold our managers to account.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Ancelotti himself told us he couldn’t work with our crap players. If that wasn’t a bellwether for our fans to start looking at the bigger picture rather than “hurr durr trofeeee cabinet” then I don’t know what is.

What a manager has won with Real Madrid has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on their suitability to be Everton manager. Zidane would be an awful Everton manager who would be sacked within a year, whereas some 38 year old from the Austrian Bundesliga who nobody’s heard of could be exactly what we need. This is what these “competent professionals” are paid to do by the way, conduct thorough research and find these managers.

Get the point you're trying to make, afterall, he was at a club with his DOF signing him Doucoure and Godfrey (who Ancelotti admitted having never heard of!) so he's not winning the Champions League with us but being a world class manager helps. Ancelotti's win rate at us is amongst the top in the clubs history, even with a pretty poor team

I'd certainly take him over any other appointment we've made since the Premier League began.

No doubt a manager has to fit a club - what type fits Everton of the past 2 decades? One that does, we probably don't want. *cough* Moyes.

 

[edge]

Iraola wasn’t a “proven upgrade” on O’Neil. Hurzeler wasn’t a proven upgrade on De Zerbi. They were both “gambles” (they weren’t, they were thoroughly scouted and analysed).

This fanbase, and entire football club really, is outdated in its way of thinking. We’re primed to kick off if our next manager doesn’t have a track record of winning trophies with some super club that’s totally irrelevant to us like Inter Milan. We are still a dinosaur institution that’s being left behind by the modern game.

Lots true in that post mate.
When you watch the likes of Brentford, Palace even Bournemouth and sometimes Fulham the football we have been served up for years looks so outdated and unexciting so slow and no get and go,
Been like that for a while and under various managers as well.

 

[MikeH72]

Carlo would have been perfect for the Friedkins - because he would have been backed sustainablly, unlike under Moshiri where he had a splurge and then...nothing. And he wouldn't have put up with the crap players for longer than necessary - which is precisely what we need our next manager not to put up with. I've no more toleration for Mykolenko... But I'm agreeing with you. Our fans want it both ways: if somebody hasn't got a "proven record", then he's not for us. If he has a proven record, like Carlo, he's not for us either.

The point is, "proven records" mean very little either way. We need our competent professionals to make smart calls. This is indeed what they are paid for. If Kinnear signs a dud next time, he needs the bullet. These fellas must be held to account, just as they hold our managers to account.

We are not a football club that wins trophies or are in any way primed to win trophies. Sorry for the brutal bombshell that people don’t want to hear. But it’s true. Our next manager choice should not be based on the size of his trophy cabinet that he’s amassed at whatever giant mega club he’s been at previously.

This fanbase needs a complete shake and a wake up call, and they need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the year 2025. We are 20 years behind everyone else.

 

[johnjoeefc]

I like Moyes but his stubbornness with regard to changing the starting lineup, making timeous substitutions and the arrogance when questioned about it is not a good look and it's starting to p me off.

Exactly where i am

 

[alan ball]

If we’d have had these fan forums in the days of Kendall’s struggles, we’d have had no trophies. Get behind who we have, it will get better. Do you really think that Moyes can build a team and challenge for the top for straight away? Time is a great healer. I’m confident a mid table position at the end of the season is within our capabilities. E V E R T O N, were Everton , and we’ll be Everton forever

 

[Lanolin]

No he's not at that stage yet, sacking him at this point would be a very weird decision. For me it's quite similar to the situation under Dyche at times last season, we're currently slightly below where I would expect us to be, but not so far that it's particularly concerning or worthy of action. Things change quickly in football, a couple of wins on the bounce and we could be sitting in the top half looking set for a decent season, a couple of losses on the bounce and we do start to look like we're in trouble and changes might need to be made.

I'm very frustrated with Moyes at the moment, mainly because I just can't understand his reluctance to deviate from a plan that hasn't worked particularly well at any point, and hasn't worked at all for some time, but a loss at the weekend would only put him into 'he needs to turn it round or the sack is a genuine possibility' territory for me, nowhere near the level where I'd think he actually needs to go (with the caveat that a hugely embarrassing result changes things slightly).

 

[Drico]

Get behind who we have, it will get better.

This has been proven as demonstrable rubbish since 1995.

 

[hetion]

Yes if the recruitment team already have their planned successor lined up.

No if they don't.

I hope they do but it's probably a bit early for them to have finalised that.

 

[davek]

He just doesn't fit here anymore. The vast majority, whether they support or oppose Moyes, know that deep down.

He's a man out of time for a club in our position. You can't have a manager like him in this environment.

He's like one of those tribute acts that have the audience pleasantly pleased at first, then they wont get off stage to let the main act on.

 

[Drico]

He just doesn't fit here anymore. The vast majority, whether they support or oppose Moyes, know that deep down.

He's a man out of time for a club in our position. You can't have a manager like him in this environment.

He's like one of those tribute acts that have the audience pleasantly pleased at first, then they wont get off stage to let the main act on.

 

[Curtis]

No he's not at that stage yet, sacking him at this point would be a very weird decision. For me it's quite similar to the situation under Dyche at times last season, we're currently slightly below where I would expect us to be, but not so far that it's particularly concerning or worthy of action. Things change quickly in football, a couple of wins on the bounce and we could be sitting in the top half looking set for a decent season, a couple of losses on the bounce and we do start to look like we're in trouble and changes might need to be made.

I'm very frustrated with Moyes at the moment, mainly because I just can't understand his reluctance to deviate from a plan that hasn't worked particularly well at any point, and hasn't worked at all for some time, but a loss at the weekend would only put him into 'he needs to turn it round or the sack is a genuine possibility' territory for me, nowhere near the level where I'd think he actually needs to go (with the caveat that a hugely embarrassing result changes things slightly).

The issue for me is if he doesn't win against Fulham that just heaps further pressure on him with Man United away being next , a match he has never won his entire career,so that would be 1 in 10 since august I believe, but if he does win Saturday it alleviates some the scrutiny and I think he could rebound from the situation. The game appears very vital to me but that's just my perspective