2025/26 David Moyes

[jceverton]

I'm probably overthinking it but it bothers me in a way that a usual forum disagreement doesn't (who cares). Because it affects the wider impatience of the fanbase and how much time/support we give these young players who will take a bit to settle.

That's fair enough but I think the situation is made worse because we can all see the deficiencies in the first 11 but we've spent the majority of our money (Dibbling and Barry) on not really addressing that issue this season. So for me we've got the balance of our spending wrong as well as our priorities.

 

[jceverton]

Maybe clubs like Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford are currently out performing us because they have enthusiastic fan bases who are just enjoying the ride and don't have a core of bitter entitled fans harking back to perceived slights and grievances from twenty years ago? Just a thought.

C'mon mate this is pure rubbish. They have outperformed us because they've had better people in charge at the top of the club who've got a clear strategy of how the football club should be run. We've literally never had that in the past 30 years

 

[Swartzy]

Haha okay mate was a bit of a ramble I'll try and keep it succinct. The senior management of the club has been absolutely shocking, that is reflected in the number of poor managerial appointments we've made. Nothing is going to really change until we get top-class people running the club. For the avoidance of doubt, I don't think TFG are top class.

Don't worry m8, I ramble enough on here..

 

[jceverton]

Who told you that? There was excellent summary on YouTube of how Moyes immediately improved us last season by pushing Myko further forward and having JOB as a third centre back. I don't recall us doing that when he was here last time. We have also changed tactics this season with Grealish and KDH playing. But because Moyes isn't from Austria you're convinced he must be a dour regressive manager.

I think the comment about last season is a fair one. We were energetic, pressing high, and winning the ball higher up the pitch, we had Alcaraz/Doucoure bursting through the lines and we had a compact mid block with fast transitions. So direct speed on transition was fast 1.9 m/s, turnover leading to shots on goal was 1.3 per game, average possession length 10.4 seconds.

Then we had the summer transfer window and Moyes reverted to type, less progressive carries per 90 minutes (down 35%), slower direct speed on transitions down to 1.5 m/s, less turnovers leading to shots (down 46%) and average possession length up to 13.2 seconds.

In short we are playing slower and are less direct. Now you can argue the merits of changing tack but at the minute we aren't winning as many points as we were last season and we've spent £100m. If that continues to the end of the season then its a big failure. The second half against Palace was effectively the only time we've played like last season. It was also noticeable in that game that Grealish in the second half reverted more to his playing type at Villa under Dean Smith.

 

[jceverton]

I thought Arteta came straight in as we’d sold Graveson to Madrid

Yeah he did but it took Moyes ages to actually play him centrally.

 

[jceverton]

Glasner has not been a long-term manager anywhere. He is just the latest in a long line of flavour of the month coaches.

He’s done well, sure, but he has yet to show any sort of durable track record.

C'mon this is laughable, he's certainly got a durable win record (48%) for a start.

1) LASK: He took a second-tier club, got them promoted, and then achieved high finishes (including runners-up in the Austrian Bundesliga) despite fewer resources. That qualifies as over-achieving for that club.
2) Wolfsburg: Achieving a top-4 finish, Champions League qualification, is above what was typically expected at the club in that timeframe.
3) Eintracht Frankfurt: Winning the Europa League is clearly an over-achievement relative to many clubs with similar budgets.
4) Crystal Palace: won the FA Cup for first time and established record unbeaten run for the club. Both over-achievements.

Even if you don't want Glasner, surely that is the type of profile that you want as a manager?!

 

[jceverton]

I bet Sunderland, Blackburn, Leeds, West Ham and a whole load of other clubs would argue with that.

In fact, Man Utd have had a more dramatic fall from grace than we have.

Yeah but we've been consistently bad for 30 plus years. Those other clubs you mention are just amateurs compared to us.

 

[MACCA75]

Other teams improve every year, others regress. West Ham, Wolves, Forest, Brentford could be worse, Fulham Newcastle and Brighton may be static or not as good, Villa may not be as good, they’ve all had difficult summers.

We should be looking to progress and I would imagine the Friedkins will be targeting top half, Kinnear basically intimated top half and a cup run on the interview he did.

Yeah well they should have signed some more/better players then.

 

[Toffeepot]

That's fair enough but I think the situation is made worse because we can all see the deficiencies in the first 11 but we've spent the majority of our money (Dibbling and Barry) on not really addressing that issue this season. So for me we've got the balance of our spending wrong as well as our priorities.

How do you know its the majority of the money? I reckon there is still some available for january

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Glasner would get utterly destroyed by our constantly moaning fans.

Moyes' greatest strength is he ignores us and just does Moyes.

We get the managers we deserve.

Yes, that's right, I'm blaming THE FANS. @chicoazul

 

[Simon Buttle]

Glasner would get utterly destroyed by our constantly moaning fans.

Moyes' greatest strength is he ignores us and just does Moyes.

We get the managers we deserve.

Yes, that's right, I'm blaming THE FANS. @chicoazul

Palace fans have moaned a fair old bit tbh mate, best players being sold from under the manager, not backing him properly after the cup win, the Textor farce and he has stuck it out. The most impressive thing with him (for me) is that with a fairly average team he has got them competing and winning, playing in a setup which most other managers and pundits don't think works in the PL.

 

[Nymzee]

Palace fans have moaned a fair old bit tbh mate, best players being sold from under the manager, not backing him properly after the cup win, the Textor farce and he has stuck it out. The most impressive thing with him (for me) is that with a fairly average team he has got them competing and winning, playing in a setup which most other managers and pundits don't think works in the PL.

As good as Glasner is I wouldn’t want him at Everton for the simple fact I despise Everton with a back 3.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Such a bizarre thing to post. But then it is you.
"Ever thought that he couldn't from a legal perspective because of stock exchange rules?"

In what way bizarre? The identity of a new manager is potentially price sensitive information in relation to a football team that is a plc and there would be strict rules about how/when it is made public.

 

[Simon Buttle]

As good as Glasner is I wouldn’t want him at Everton for the simple fact I despise Everton with a back 3.

We have never played with anyone who actually knows how too play it properly so its hard to say tbh. I prefer the idea of 1 of the FB moving forward and the other shuffling across like we did last season, that's a bit of the best of both worlds, it seemed to work fine although a better FB than Mykolenko would help tbh.

 

[Marius57]

We have never played with anyone who actually knows how too play it properly so its hard to say tbh. I prefer the idea of 1 of the FB moving forward and the other shuffling across like we did last season, that's a bit of the best of both worlds, it seemed to work fine although a better FB than Mykolenko would help tbh.

Having an actual defensive midfielder helps with that as well. As they often step in if both full backs push higher etc.

Unfortunately, we haven’t had a defensive midfielder since Barry