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We need to talk about Nottingham Forest.

Final position

  • Top 4

    Votes: 21 8.2%

  • Other European Qualification

    Votes: 68 26.6%

  • Top 10 outside Europe

    Votes: 47 18.4%

  • Complete capitulation bottom half.

    Votes: 120 46.9%
  • Total voters
    256

Cameron Manning said:
I’d give him credit for what did here and more credit for putting his hand up and honestly admitting his time was up here!
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He got paid off though didn’t he ? I don’t blame him for that as it’s his money but do you get credit for saying “this is very difficult and I’m finding it tough so I’m off and just bank transfer me the money from the rest of my contract “

I can see why it could be deemed creditable but it could also be seen as when the going got tough he got off .
 
Saint Domingo said:
Did they though? The positive for me was he kept us up from the position we were in in Jan 23, and the navigated two points deductions, all on a spend to profit transfer policy which saw us into new ownership as a Pl club.

What negative could possibly outweigh that? He literally secured the future of this club. If we’d have brought in a Potter Marsch Rodgers type who left us wide open we could have very easily gone down in 23 and then it was bye bye takeover, stadium not being finished or leased when it was, every first team player out the door, instant administration and points deduction to start the championship, more points deductions down the line. The cash position in the club was so bad we might not have even been able to pay wages.

Him playing some dull football and saying stuff some people don’t like in press conferences does not outweigh any of that.
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What I mean is that tactically, in the situation after the points deduction season he failed to adapt to managers easily countering his tactics. That is where the negatives outweigh the positives.

What he did during the points deduction was extremely good. It was less about tactics and more about pride, passion and playing against those who wished to see us down and beaten.

We did not need that kind of management, tactics in the season after. It would have been better if we had opened up a bit, adapted to teams playing our tactics to perfection. I will say that I am certainly no tactic snob. I believe in finding a way to win, if it looks a bit ugly, so be it. However, Dyche and the players just gave up all hope that his tactics would win a game, in the last few games it was looking like a miracle to even score or get a shot at goal (A bit of hyperbole, but it was not far off).

This is why he will initially do well at Forest, arguably with better players as well. They may see themselves as a bit of a laughing stock and they will want to show some pride and show the world that they are not. Longer term, they will want to play a lot more freely than Dyche has in the past, that will be his true test.
 

Should we start a Dyche bingo card? Already got "the noise" in his first presser:

Nottingham Forest manager Sean Dyche on squad suiting his style: "I've learnt about the players, obviously.

"There's a few I've known from the past couple of seasons, a few new signings. It's different when you're watching a game analytically to actually working with players.

"Some players are better than you thought, often, and the other way round. It can be that way when you're working up close and personal.

"What we have noticed is the quality, there is a good spirit amongst them, it's just maybe been pushed down a bit by the noise.

"They haven't won games. Winning doesn't cure everything but it goes a long way to making that feel-good factor.

"What we've got to do is find the balance of the framework they've had that worked so well but then the freedom to go and attack and score goals. That's a difficult balance to find."
 
Nymzee said:
Should we start a Dyche bingo card? Already got "the noise" in his first presser:

Nottingham Forest manager Sean Dyche on squad suiting his style: "I've learnt about the players, obviously.

"There's a few I've known from the past couple of seasons, a few new signings. It's different when you're watching a game analytically to actually working with players.

"Some players are better than you thought, often, and the other way round. It can be that way when you're working up close and personal.

"What we have noticed is the quality, there is a good spirit amongst them, it's just maybe been pushed down a bit by the noise.

"They haven't won games. Winning doesn't cure everything but it goes a long way to making that feel-good factor.

"What we've got to do is find the balance of the framework they've had that worked so well but then the freedom to go and attack and score goals. That's a difficult balance to find."
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Also got "stats and facts"

Nottingham Forest manager Sean Dyche on club owner Evangelos Marinakis:"I spoke to him and his people about the prospects of it. Once the decision was made with the outgoing manager, I spoke to him.

"He spoke very openly about the challenges. He is aware of it. He keeps up with the stats and facts. He is aware it was a challenging run at the end of last season. That's why they tried to add to it to try to keep moving froward.

"It was a good conversation. I wouldn't certainty been here if it was a bad conversation"
 

wandyr79 said:
What I mean is that tactically, in the situation after the points deduction season he failed to adapt to managers easily countering his tactics. That is where the negatives outweigh the positives.

What he did during the points deduction was extremely good. It was less about tactics and more about pride, passion and playing against those who wished to see us down and beaten.

We did not need that kind of management, tactics in the season after. It would have been better if we had opened up a bit, adapted to teams playing our tactics to perfection. I will say that I am certainly no tactic snob. I believe in finding a way to win, if it looks a bit ugly, so be it. However, Dyche and the players just gave up all hope that his tactics would win a game, in the last few games it was looking like a miracle to even score or get a shot at goal (A bit of hyperbole, but it was not far off).

This is why he will initially do well at Forest, arguably with better players as well. They may see themselves as a bit of a laughing stock and they will want to show some pride and show the world that they are not. Longer term, they will want to play a lot more freely than Dyche has in the past, that will be his true test.
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Dyche: the hero we needed. Certainly didn't deserve him. Im looking at Mismanagement Moshiri.
 

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