Yes, I mentioned the accountancy aspect of football many times in this thread. It's a major reason as to why top flight football is utterly tedious and surely everyone must be fed up of talking about PSR, FFP, amortisation etc... I also agree it makes things more difficult but it's not a reason to have low aspirations.
There's always a reason why we should keep our expectations low. Let's say we finish 12th this season, then 10th next and 8th the year after that. You could argue that that's progress or stabilisation or whatever platitude is de rigueur but it's stagnation. I don't care if we finish in an average position of 17th or 8th, it's all the same to me. I want to see us move up the table as quickly as possible. We're 8th now, that's good, that's progress. I'm not sure our performances deserve that position but who cares? Those performances are why I'm not optimistic we'll stay there and think we'll end up lower but if we hold on to 8th that'll do me for this year but next year we have to be higher and we should be looking to win cups soon. The Wolves match was a giant red flag to me. If TFG aren't all over Moyes telling him that was completely unacceptable then they're not for me. Maybe they did, I hope so. Aspiration starts at the top.
True. It's now written through the fanbase like a stick of rock too.
What in the world are you talking about? No one is saying a top 8 finish should be the extent of our ambitions. That’s completely in your head. Every single fan wants us to compete and win trophies. But it’s also possible to acknowledge that 8th would represent a successful season for us given where we have been the last few years. Using phrases like making up the numbers and accountancy is just attention seeking in relation to a good season is just childish attention seeking.
Why are you so consistently furious with my posts, Kev? Recognise yourself in any of my descriptions?
Maybe nobody and give this season a chance because the two clubs are in no way comparable due to how many different variables there are? If you can't see improvement I can't help you. It's going to be slow. We tried the rush and buy everything on hire purchase model and it didn't work.
Having no realistic chance of winning will do that to you.
So I can't compare us to the old Everton or to our sister club? What is the frame of reference I should use to judge success or progress?
You can compare however you want, your expectations will just be unattainable at this stage in our club's history.
Because you’re full of hot air. You’ve just said finishing 8th is the same as finishing 17th. That’s bizarre. If someone told you Everton would never compete for a trophy again would you abandon the club? Following Everton for me is not about winning trophies. The Martinez season and some of the Moyes seasons were far better than winning the FA cup. We played much better football, won way more games, scored way more goals and lost far fewer games. I hate the hardman NSNO schtick that some fans have. It’s just hot air.
I would think the last 5-10 years would be a reasonable measure:
What do you use as your barometer then? You have said my comparisons are unreasonable and my goals are unattainable but you haven't laid out what you think is realistic and what your minimum expectations are. If comparing TFG to Moshiri makes no sense and comparing TFG with TFG at another club is unreasonable then I just want to know what comparison works.
This sort of comment is exactly what I’m talking about.
Not according to @Hinchcliffe's Corner he literally told me I can't compare TFG to the last lot. Which I thought was odd, tbh.
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