2025/26 David Moyes

[Swartzy]

You can report your own post and ask the mods to delete it.

I think they put me on ignore

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

It's sad that you have resorted to repeated insults (unless you think kopite mentality is a compliment ?) simply because we differ in our definition of the word "success". I personally think Moyes has a lot to do before he can be considered a success here, if that is a kopite mentality then there must be a lot of kopites on this forum.

It’s neither an insult nor a compliment. It’s merely a description of a state of mind. Moyes was big success last season. If we finish top 10 this season then that will be another successful season.

 

[Swartzy]

There is one???

Well its hiding from me, unless it is to report my post.

 

[Nymzee]

Well its hiding from me, unless it is to report my post.

Right here mate:

 

[windymiller]

It’s neither an insult nor a compliment. It’s merely a description of a state of mind. Moyes was big success last season. If we finish top 10 this season then that will be another successful season.

Nah, it won't, it'll be fine. I think we'll finish 12th and people will tell me that that is some sort of achievement, success if you prefer, but it won't be, it'll be making up the numbers. As usual.

 

[davek]

That's not what I asked. I'm trying to gauge your barometer. If he surprises you and we go that far while consolidating mid-table, would you then say he's had a great season?

Mid table and no trophies a 'great season'?

Pfffft!

 

[carolinablue232]

Mid table and no trophies a 'great season'?

Pfffft!

Hmmm. But with Martinez, 12th and semi finals was great right?

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Some people should get out more. Maybe go smell some flowers, play with some kittens etc.

Also, some people need to get some kind of a realistic view of what constitutes success in a sport. Every manager worth their salt always says the league is the bread and butter and the true benchmark for a football team.

But no doubt they know better than people like Ferguson, Kendall, Busby, Shankly, Wenger, Guardiola and Ancelotti.

 

[davek]

Hmmm. But with Martinez, 12th and semi finals was great right?

No. It wasn't 'great' and I never said it was. I stated it was not a club in danger of relegation that could be in that position.

The desperation from you is strong. Maybe cut your losses on this?

 

[PhoenixFirebird]

Some people should get out more. Maybe go smell some flowers, play with some kittens etc.

Also, some people need to get some kind of a realistic view of what constitutes success in a sport. Every manager worth their salt always says the league is the bread and butter and the true benchmark for a football team.

But no doubt they know better than people like Ferguson, Kendall, Busby, Shankly, Wenger, Guardiola and Ancelotti.

I think "people" will pivot on your last line in one of three ways (that I can see, feel free to suggest more):

1. (Because the names of some of the greatest managers are mentioned) We are not saying it's not, it's just OUR opinion, we are entitled to our opinion.
2. (Those who like to double down) Show us the proof that these manager said such-and-such in so-and-so manner.
3. (The constipated orange-types) Yeah, because they were almost a world-class RB (bad luck, you know!), their opinions matter more than all the managers of the world, because, well, because they were almost a world-class RB.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

2. (Those who like to double down) Show us the proof that these manager said such-and-such in so-and-so manner.

Time for a preemptive strike!

Pep: “The league is the most important title. It is the one that shows how good you have been every three days, for ten months.”

Sir Alex: “The league is your bread and butter.”

Carlo: “Winning the league shows balance, character, and the ability to overcome difficulties week after week.”

Arsene: “The championship is the true test of the team’s consistency, quality, and spirit. Cups can be a little bit of a lottery.”

Shanks: “The league is our bread and butter. It is the real test of a football team’s worth.”

Sir Matt: “To be the best, you have to prove it over time — week in, week out. That’s what the league is for.”

Howard: “The league title was the one that mattered most — because you’ve earned it over nine months.”

Moyesy: “You can have great nights in cups, but the league table shows where you really are.”

 

[carolinablue232]

No. It wasn't 'great' and I never said it was. I stated it was not a club in danger of relegation that could be in that position.

The desperation from you is strong. Maybe cut your losses on this?

Just trying to get clarity on your ever changing goal posts.

 

[davek]

Just trying to get clarity on your ever changing goal posts.

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So now you believe the term "decent campaign" is the same as "great season"?

...as said: maybe cut your losses now?

 

[Marcus Kendall]

If there is never any prospect of winning anything then why is anybody bothered about being relegated? Put the financial aspects to one side for a moment, from a sporting perspective is there any difference in playing in the PL than playing in the Championship, or League 1 or in the "Farmer's" leagues that are so denigrated on this forum? If the only point in being in the PL is to avoid relegation (or to make up the numbers in mid table), and that is predominantly a financial one, then is it really sport any more? Is it not simply business?

Football is a strange beast in this country now, particularly top flight football, as the sense of community gets stripped away with every stadium move, every ticket price increase, every new corporate banqueting suite, the pricing out of the working classes and young people and, inevitably, games moved to Asia/America/Saudi/Australia whilst simultaneously, from a purely entertainment point of view, stadia sell out whether the team is dreadful or brilliant, full of tourist and corporate jollyists looking for "content" for Insta or their "reels" or "stories".

When you think about it, it's the absolute capitalist dream, you can shovel out any old dross and raise prices across the board and demand remains buoyant. Treat the consumer like dirt and just keep on rinsing them as they keep on coming back, convincing themselves that the dross is the best they can get, all they deserve.

Without winning things is any of that worth it?

I think your missing the point Windy. I'm not saying don't aim for trophies I'm saying consistent high league finishes are better as they will in theory lead you to be able to attract better players and then winning trophies becomes easier. Or you can do a Portsmouth and spend beyond your means and win an FA Cup before sinking into oblivion as your club can't sustain the wage bill etc

 

[windymiller]

I think your missing the point Windy. I'm not saying don't aim for trophies I'm saying consistent high league finishes are better as they will in theory lead you to be able to attract better players and then winning trophies becomes easier. Or you can do a Portsmouth and spend beyond your means and win an FA Cup before sinking into oblivion as your club can't sustain the wage bill etc

I get the point, people have been telling us to be patient and not expect too much for 30 years. Eventually that patience has to pay off. Kenwright told us for twenty years to be thankful for managed decline, Moshiri offered us the illusion of progress before the bubble burst and now under the Friedkins in our giant shiny new stadium we're again being told by posters on here that mid-table is the limit of our ambitions "for a few seasons".

I have no more patience. It's been long enough.