2025/26 David Moyes

Joey66 said:
He won nothing with us past players suspiciously only fetch us a trophy in our history - check it back to the mid 1950s - thats why I would give Lee Carsley a chance - did ok in the England team set up know a good young player or six ....

We are the slowest team in the prem - oh & he might know why a good pair of overlapping fullbacks are too .....
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Lee Carsley strikes me as someone who'd wilt under the pressure of trying to get us to the next level. I think some managers are better at coaching young players as there's no pressure on them to get results and i think Carsley himself prefers to be low profile rather than thrust into the mainstream of a club that has a fanbase crying out for success
 

windymiller said:
That's fair. The question then, I suppose, is regarding time. For example if our wage budget next season is the 7th highest in the league and we spend similar sums on transfer fees that we paid out this summer, would 7th be the minimum expectation for the 26/27 season, or, as many others have suggested (@JobForTheMoyes , for example) will it take several years worth of transfer windows to get us to that level, and would that be justifiable regardless of spend (fees and/or wages)?

I personally think we will finish around 12th this year (I don't think this squad is as good as some people do, and I don't think Moyes is as good as others do) and if Moyes gets us top half then that would be a decent achievement for a first full season. If we then add a striker, some functional full backs and a replacement for Gueye, and in doing so raised our wage budget to the aforementioned 7th highest in the league, then European football would be the minimum requirement of any manager, imo. I also don't think our new owners would consider multiple seasons in mid-table to be a good return on their investment.
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I guess it depends! I’ll believe it when I see it. With Moyes, I expect him to at least operate in line with the investment. Usually he does better, which is what I am hoping for.
 
Gilbert.. said:
Id say two. Grealish and dewsbury hall. Three if you want to be generous with the permanent signing of Alcaraz.
Flicking through this thread i picked up you said he'd spent a fair chunk of money. The prem has changed. Brentford payed 30m for igor thiago last year and 42m for quattara. Bournemouth payed 40m for evanilson in 2024. We're not even competing in the transfer market with teams that are challenging the top 4/6.
Saying that. 40 odd million on Barry Aznou right now doesnt look money well spent on positions that needed addressing. Dibling im happy to wait.
It is still about where you are and finish in the table though. We're currently level with chelsea who've spent about a billion on players in the last 2 years.
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DMS words on signing players I will look for bargains in the lower leagues then blew a big chunk of our money on an unknown Barry- a few signings are good that's why I rated hus transfer business at 50% - His he never priorities were not two full backs as far back as June in the beginning to me was amazing- you mention other clubs spending for fun - I respect he Inherited PSR issues & a new ground cost etc -
It's early days let's see where we are at Christmas- Beto rumoured to be leaving is imo our only moderate no 9 - Barry looks way off - our most expensive signing ever sits on our bench ?

We have some tough games coming up - the promoted teams are stronger for seasons imo the juries out on our squad & management tactics so far - back to two keepers on thd bench at home ?

He did a great job last season - can he carry it on ? Imo not with his present additions to our squad - I hope I am incorrect..?.
 
COYBL25 said:
@Joey66 rather than you and @davek just jamming up this thread with all your anti Moyes stuff, can I suggest that you start a separate thread, whereby you two can just post anti Moyes stuff at each other and that way you`ll both be happy, leaving the rest of to us in this thread to crack on, without the lunacy of you two ?????
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Keep looking for your mushrooms....
 

Joey66 said:
DMS words on signing players I will look for bargains in the lower leagues then blew a big chunk of our money on an unknown Barry- a few signings are good that's why I rated hus transfer business at 50% - His he never priorities were not two full backs as far back as June in the beginning to me was amazing- you mention other clubs spending for fun - I respect he Inherited PSR issues & a new ground cost etc -
It's early days let's see where we are at Christmas- Beto rumoured to be leaving is imo our only moderate no 9 - Barry looks way off - our most expensive signing ever sits on our bench ?

We have some tough games coming up - the promoted teams are stronger for seasons imo the juries out on our squad & management tactics so far - back to two keepers on thd bench at home ?

He did a great job last season - can he carry it on ? Imo not with his present additions to our squad - I hope I am incorrect..?.
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The debate on Moyes hasnt changed much since about 2005 going right back to bluekipper days. He has got a ceiling that he's never going to be top class. I think thats true. But he's also a good manager.
All i know is the club were in as bad a shape as ive ever seen in january under the atrocious dyche.
Im content at the moment we're not away to Oxford this weekend.
 

toffeeblue9 said:
I remember endless debates with my mates circa 2010/2011 ish on a lot of the stuff that is in this thread

Essentially, the way I look at it, the last time Moyes was here he built the club up from a very low base and then had us consistently in the top 7ish places, when he had a wage budget about the 11th biggest in the league and was on very much a sell to buy transfer budget.

To me, he overachieved and he consistently overachieved which led to everything he did being taken for granted and some fairly unrealistic expectations about how we should be progressing further with a budget which wasn't even a top half budget.

I didn't want him to leave, but it felt like he'd been here so long that a lot of people were simply tired of the status quo and wanted to roll the dice. That rolling of the dice pretty much worked out how I'd expected it might at the time.

He joined us in a remarkably similar low ebb, yet this time we are led to believe the budget is going to be more like top 7/8ish budget

I genuinely couldn't care less about him having negative mindsets in certain games or not trusting kids or having his favourites or any of the other subjective stuff that was being argued 15 years ago and is still being argued today. All I care about is whether he's at least performing in line with what his budget is (because we've pretty much underperformed on that metric in every season since he left barring the one immediately after he left).

Don't care - argue as much as you like over the stuff that doesn't matter and we can debate the merits or otherwise of tactics, signings, etc etc but all I care about is Everton winning games and the rest of it is just peripheral discussion points.
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We all know he is prone to negativity and doubt he'll ever change.More worrying for me is him going into the season with no recognised RB and two CFs neither of who can hold up the ball or consistently win it in the air. For someone with his experience it's worrying.
 
COYBL25 said:
@Joey66 rather than you and @davek just jamming up this thread with all your anti Moyes stuff, can I suggest that you start a separate thread, whereby you two can just post anti Moyes stuff at each other and that way you`ll both be happy, leaving the rest of to us in this thread to crack on, without the lunacy of you two ?????
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I don't like Moyes but this proposal has my vote
 
Marcus Kendall said:
Lee Carsley strikes me as someone who'd wilt under the pressure of trying to get us to the next level. I think some managers are better at coaching young players as there's no pressure on them to get results and i think Carsley himself prefers to be low profile rather than thrust into the mainstream of a club that has a fanbase crying out for success
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Better Coach !
 
davids said:
We all know he is prone to negativity and doubt he'll ever change.More worrying for me is him going into the season with no recognised RB and two CFs neither of who can hold up the ball or consistently win it in the air. For someone with his experience it's worrying.
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Couldn't care less about negativity. All I care about is if he wins as many games over the season as we should do.

The recruitment bit I think is a bit mad to be too critical about tbh, that's only partly Moyes and I think we are still 4 players short of where we need to be but it's unrealistic to do all the squad overhaul we needed to do within one window.
 

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