2024/25 Jesper Lindstrom

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Papa Shango said:
Do goals and assists matter if we are winning and picking up points and he is part of the team doing that?

I don't care who is doing the scoring as long a someone is.
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They do. You need everyone to pick up the slack in terms of contributing. Especially if we have sights of moving up the league next season.
 

bluestevon said:
Think it was his ball that Doucoure had a great chance on the header from as well - the one he showed his 50p shaped head on.

The lack of assists right now isn't bothering me, since Moyes come in he's put 3-4 absolute great chances in that with even with average finishing should have him sat on a decent number of assists. He does need to start netting a few himself though as that's the part stat wise he can control.

His overall game though I do like, defensively especially he's a completely different player to the one dragged off at HT a few months back.

Is he worth 20m - in the game now then I think so, if we can renegotiate a lower fee even better or even say another loan with option. He's settling in now, he does the job asked even though it's not his typical game - could easily have sulked off. Like the lad and at worst he's a very useful squad player.
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It was Gana who crossed it not Lindstrom. I think people are going way over the top about that header aswell, he's about 15 yards out. You want him to do better but it's not the sitter people are painting it as.
Papa Shango said:
Do goals and assists matter if we are winning and picking up points and he is part of the team doing that?

I don't care who is doing the scoring as long a someone is.
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I'd say they kind of do. I mean obviously if we keep winning in the long run then maybe you say if it ain't broke don't fix it, but ultimately it's not helpful to your chances of that happening if one of your attacking players doesn't contribute to goals.
 
Papa Shango said:
Fair enough, I respectfully disagree, people are too obsessed about stats in modern football. The whole is more important than the sum of the parts.

There are questions about his overall ability of course.
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Wouldn't say it's an obsession with stats, just logical. It's better to have 4 players that score 10 between them than have 1 player that's scoring all 40.
 
Papa Shango said:
Fair enough, I respectfully disagree, people are too obsessed about stats in modern football. The whole is more important than the sum of the parts.

There are questions about his overall ability of course.
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I agree with this.

It is the old Pienaar 'assisting the assist' argument. If he gets the ball, allows a full back or somebody else to overlap or comes inside and plays it down the channel and then that person assists then he is contributing to the team.

It is nice to add goals though, but again, if the balance of the team means that others get the goals and assists then I don't see an issue with a lack of 'stats'.

I think he has shown signs that with a bit of confidence he could deliver more in the stats department.
 

Eggs said:
….absolutely, it’s important to watch where players are on the periphery of moves breaking down and he certainly looked to hit the box at times. Good sign.
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Scraping the barrel a bit with that one like. It's good to see a player who hasn't scored or assisted in 60 games or thereabouts to be running towards the goal but not getting there 🤣
 
wandyr79 said:
I agree with this.

It is the old Pienaar 'assisting the assist' argument. If he gets the ball, allows a full back or somebody else to overlap or comes inside and plays it down the channel and then that person assists then he is contributing to the team.

It is nice to add goals though, but again, if the balance of the team means that others get the goals and assists then I don't see an issue with a lack of 'stats'.

I think he has shown signs that with a bit of confidence he could deliver more in the stats department.
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In terms of what he's doing at the moment Lindstrom isn't really comparable to Pienaar at all. Pienaar was arguably the heartbeat of the team, he was heavily involved in our attacking play and much of our best stuff went through him. His lack of end product was still an issue to some extent - at the end of the day we never quite broke through into that top 4 or won a trophy and there's obviously a decent argument that part of that was because we didn't have enough matchwinners - but he was a huge influence on the team. Lindstrom isn't that at the moment. He's doing a good job and playing his part, but he's not necessarily doing anything that you would say someone else couldn't do. It's not a case of slating him or whatever, just saying that we could probably bring someone in who 'does a job for the team' for a lot less than £20m and so in order for him to be worth buying there needs to be more.
 
Lanolin said:
In terms of what he's doing at the moment Lindstrom isn't really comparable to Pienaar at all. Pienaar was arguably the heartbeat of the team, he was heavily involved in our attacking play and much of our best stuff went through him. His lack of end product was still an issue to some extent - at the end of the day we never quite broke through into that top 4 or won a trophy and there's obviously a decent argument that part of that was because we didn't have enough matchwinners - but he was a huge influence on the team. Lindstrom isn't that at the moment. He's doing a good job and playing his part, but he's not necessarily doing anything that you would say someone else couldn't do. It's not a case of slating him or whatever, just saying that we could probably bring someone in who 'does a job for the team' for a lot less than £20m and so in order for him to be worth buying there needs to be more.
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I will say though the job he's doing is really really helping O'Brien out and long term that could be huge as O'Brien now looks to be getting better by the game. Lindstrom seems very much a team before me player, but again now moreso with Ndiaye being out, he needs to score some goals.
 
Lanolin said:
In terms of what he's doing at the moment Lindstrom isn't really comparable to Pienaar at all. Pienaar was arguably the heartbeat of the team, he was heavily involved in our attacking play and much of our best stuff went through him. His lack of end product was still an issue to some extent - at the end of the day we never quite broke through into that top 4 or won a trophy and there's obviously a decent argument that part of that was because we didn't have enough matchwinners - but he was a huge influence on the team. Lindstrom isn't that at the moment. He's doing a good job and playing his part, but he's not necessarily doing anything that you would say someone else couldn't do. It's not a case of slating him or whatever, just saying that we could probably bring someone in who 'does a job for the team' for a lot less than £20m and so in order for him to be worth buying there needs to be more.
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Oh, I certainly wasn't comparing him to Pienaar, it was more the case of the overall sentiment that stats mean everything. When I am of the opinion that they don't, as it is the balance of the team that is more important.

As I said, he has shown signs that he has a bit of ability there. Not enough to spend any money on him, hopefully he can come to the fore now we are a bit low on flare players, if Ndiaye is out for a long period.
 

Disappointingly quiet last night.

He's going to need to show us much more influence on games if he wants us to buy him.

EDIT: I'll just caveat - he worked hard off the ball though, which was pleasing at least.
 

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