2024/25 David Moyes

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JobForTheMoyes said:
“That’s different. Rafael was being a spirited rival and was trying to fire up his players and fanbase. All is fair in love and war.

“Moyes is a horrible, morally bankrupt man who tried to destroy the club. He did this by managing it for more than a decade and using this as a platform to have failed European and cup runs. The relatively high league finishes were simply a means to an end, four dimension chess, so he could leave fans ultimately dispirited and disappointed.

“He showed his true colours by trying to sign two players from us, forcing his boss Edward Woodward to appear incompetent by making lowball initial offers.”
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Arsed mate football is fickle we just won Three on the spin...
 
History it seems will be cruel on Dyche. I'd maintain that after the waiter and Lampard, quite a few coaches would have seen us relegated.
Dyche tightened things up with half a roll of gaffa tape after Lampard.
With no clue what else to do but keep tightening to the point of constipation.
But he did stop the possibility of seeing em flushed down the toilet.
Moyes, with steady hand and a box full of Movicol, not to mention that Moysie charm, is poised with more than Plan A to take advantage with what nevertheless is still a skint squad.
Moyes was the right call at the right time and he couldn't be doing a better job.
The OBrien decision has been a revelation (the future potential of JB-JOB pairing is massive)
Lindstrom and Myko are like new players.
The play now favours the best player, Ndaiye
The two most experienced have lead the change well, Gana and Tarks have been mighty.
Garner now seeing and having more of what to do on the pitch fits back in seemlessly.
Dyche covered the weaknesses. Moyes is now working the strengths.
 
The Moyes we have now is not the Moyes who left. This is his last chance saloon. He's not a promising young manager looking for a step up. He wants to win something with the club, stay for 3 or 4 years, make us into a top half team again, and then move upstairs I would imagine.
 

MikeH72 said:
Imagine you backed Rafael Benitez and then decided to give off about Moyes’ comments towards the football club LOL
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Imagine thinking Dyche ‘saved’ us last season when we were comfortably clear of danger even with the deductions

Even funnier is praising the guy for keeping us up the year before who only won 2 of the last 10 games and needed another team’s goalie to pull off a stunning save to even give him a chance of doing so on the final day, hell even then we were down at half time on that final day
 
BlueStevie35 said:
Imagine thinking Dyche ‘saved’ us last season when we were comfortably clear of danger even with the deductions

Even funnier is praising the guy for keeping us up the year before who only won 2 of the last 10 games and needed another team’s goalie to pull off a stunning save to even give him a chance of doing so on the final day, hell even then we were down at half time on that final day
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We were a basket case when Dyche came in. He steadied the ship, and then seemed to find a way for us to create chances and win games. The turning point for me was the loss at home to Bournemouth when he basically admitted that he saw the game disappearing and couldn't do anything about it. He should have resigned after that game, as it was clear he'd lost his way.
 
davek said:
Came in here to an all but relegated club - kept us up twice.

That's the only statistic worth knowing.
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Same players :coffee:
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When Moyes joined us originally in 2002 we were at rock bottom.
He dragged us up by the bootstraps and gave us proper belief again.
He was a young, hungry manager keen to make a name for himself and we were the perfect club for him to show what he could do.

He took us from being bottom end of the league regulars and went on to achieve the best season by an Everton manager for years, finishing 4th and also had a couple of 5th and 6th place finishes in his 11 year stint.

Ok he didn’t win anything, but by then the game had changed and the financial gap between the top clubs in the PL and the rest was growing every year, with pretty much the same clubs qualifying for the CL every season.

So for me, all of his work done far outweighs him trying to sign a couple of our players when he left and his remarks at the time need to be forgotten.

At the time I was as furious as anybody, but if you are still arsed about that in the year 2025 then I can only imagine you are one bitter and twisted individual.
 
Thomasc said:
When Moyes joined us originally in 2002 we were at rock bottom.
He dragged us up by the bootstraps and gave us proper belief again.
He was a young, hungry manager keen to make a name for himself and we were the perfect club for him to show what he could do.

He took us from being bottom end of the league regulars and went on to achieve the best season by an Everton manager for years, finishing 4th and also had a couple of 5th and 6th place finishes in his 11 year stint.

Ok he didn’t win anything, but by then the game had changed and the financial gap between the top clubs in the PL and the rest was growing every year, with pretty much the same clubs qualifying for the CL every season.

So for me, all of his work done far outweighs him trying to sign a couple of our players when he left and his remarks at the time need to be forgotten.

At the time I was as furious as anybody, but if you are still arsed about that in the year 2025 then I can only imagine you are one bitter and twisted individual.
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Yup! The way some people go on about Moyes truly beggars belief.

The idea that trophies are the only way to say if a manager is a success or not is ridiculous. Winning trophies is nearly impossible outside of a few managers at the richest clubs.

The FA Cup and League winners rolls don’t tell any lies.
 

Ndaiye, Garner, Tim, Branthwaite, Obrien. The makings of something special.
The key maybe for Moyes to find a DM in between Tim and Garner (who alternate through the Doucs position) that is both a pivot on the ball and leader in defence. Neither Gana nor Managala have the all round attributes to bring forth he potential of having Garner and Time either side.
It's encouraging to hear Moyes not so keen to just get anyone in. If it takes two seasons more of Gana or Mangala to find the right player while addressing other areas, then it will be more than worth the wait...when hopefully you'd see these young lads come into their own.
 
Thomasc said:
When Moyes joined us originally in 2002 we were at rock bottom.
He dragged us up by the bootstraps and gave us proper belief again.
He was a young, hungry manager keen to make a name for himself and we were the perfect club for him to show what he could do.

He took us from being bottom end of the league regulars and went on to achieve the best season by an Everton manager for years, finishing 4th and also had a couple of 5th and 6th place finishes in his 11 year stint.

Ok he didn’t win anything, but by then the game had changed and the financial gap between the top clubs in the PL and the rest was growing every year, with pretty much the same clubs qualifying for the CL every season.

So for me, all of his work done far outweighs him trying to sign a couple of our players when he left and his remarks at the time need to be forgotten.

At the time I was as furious as anybody, but if you are still arsed about that in the year 2025 then I can only imagine you are one bitter and twisted individual.
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Moyes was the one that raised the standards at the football club after the 90’s and the Smith era. He was the one that raised the bar of acceptance from 16th to top 6. It was what we expected by the time he left.

Sean Dyche was a manager that was happy for us to aspire to be 16th. The benchmark was just survival, and it would’ve stayed that way no matter how much money he was allowed to spend. Because that’s his level, that’s where he is comfortable operating. Low expectations to complement his very limited ability. Him and Moyes are not at all comparable as managers.
 
davek said:
100% this.

I hope it's a case at the end of the season of "Thanks for stepping in, now move aside for our long term manager" from TFG.
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Could happen, but I don't think so.
Back in the day I was a Moyes ((Mk1) critic
But that was then 12 - 15 yrs ago
Football was different
Everton was different
We were ALL different
Moyes Mk1 was different...not radically, road to Damascus different than what we have now
But different enough to be an improvement on Dyche

Get over it !

He still has some of his old Moyes cautiousness and the longer he is here the more it will come out.
But there's no way he's going to get 11yrs and there's no Kenwright either to complicate matters.

I get you didn't like Moyes Mk1 - neither did I

Let's give the Mk2 version a chance, see how he and Thelwell go in the window
The Cup
The Derby
Away to the old big 4 (+1)
The rest of the season
You may get your wish in June

Until then or when ever he leaves, judge on what he does
Not on what and how he did 12, 15, 18 yrs ago*

*Unless / until he starts reverting to his bad habits - then you can take a number behind me
 

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