Everton January 2025 Transfer Thread

[hallamblue]

Agree about Brighton, in fact the last few years has seen them on dying bigger and bigger fees for players they once were getting for bargain basement prices - problem is, the system used to recruit became too successful - here and at places like Dortmund and RB Leipzig, French clubs etc, so now everyone is shopping in that 20-23 market which has the maximum upside in terms of development increasing the value, that's skyrocketed the demand compared to supply and debt the prices through the roof.

When Brighton or Bournemouth could pick up a lad at 20/21 fir 4-6m then flip him a few years later for 30-40m the model works perfectly, it allows them multiple failures whilst still giving them a huge overall return, once the prices they have to pay start getting towards 20-40 though the room for error has gone and they need pretty much a much much better hit rate to be able to still keep the model of recruitment going.

A couple of seasons were the success rate flops, the entire system will collapse in on them.

Both are reaching the point now we're they will need to start qualifying regularly for Europe to ensure an additional source of revenue as well.

Gonna be an interesting watch to see if they can adjust to a saturated market now.

With Brighton they spotted a loophole after we left the EU and brought in players from other countries for little money who they made a fortune on. Their owner is an expert on analytics and is no doubt looking for the next angle.

 

[pfim]

Thought it was interesting that Utd are using PSR as an excuse to raise ticket prices.

So you think the real truth of it is to increase income for owners ?

Yes, by deflating transfer fees and salaries. You can put a sporting aspect to it and say the top clubs will chase higher revenues to absorb increases in player costs, but only 2-3 can truly do that on a grand scale. If you limit player costs to 70% of revenues, it all but guarantees a cash positive business.

You only need to look at the American salary caps to realize this. Ice hockey is the best example, and most recent of the "big" sports, that instituted a cap on player spending and tied it directly to revenue. Before then, only 4-5 clubs were truly profitable and the rest were either dying, being moved around the country or mired in mediocrity. Now, it would be very difficult to lose money as an NHL hockey team.

Cost control is the key to profitability.

 

[bluestevon]

With Brighton they spotted a loophole after we left the EU and brought in players from other countries for little money who they made a fortune on. Their owner is an expert on analytics and is no doubt looking for the next angle.

Oh yeah if there's a way to rein ebt a new model or find a new stream for players he'll find it more than likely.

Right now though they are just spending a huge amount more for the level of players they previously uncovered for absolute bargain prices.

They are sticking to the 24 or under rule though which is very very wise as you'll minimise the loss as there's always gonna be a taker for those even if they flop (just look at our own history for that, pretty much every player under 24 we've bought we were able to move on for a fee even if they flopped).

It's also why it appears we are sticking to that exact same model, I still say ignore any link to us for anyone over 24 who'll cost more than a token fee.

 

[hallamblue]

Oh yeah if there's a way to rein ebt a new model or find a new stream for players he'll find it more than likely.

Right now though they are just spending a huge amount more for the level of players they previously uncovered for absolute bargain prices.

They are sticking to the 24 or under rule though which is very very wise as you'll minimise the loss as there's always gonna be a taker for those even if they flop (just look at our own history for that, pretty much every player under 24 we've bought we were able to move on for a fee even if they flopped).

It's also why it appears we are sticking to that exact same model, I still say ignore any link to us for anyone over 24 who'll cost more than a token fee.

Yes any sensibly run club doesn't keep players over 30 unless they're established first teamers who you're resigned to never getting a fee for, such as Coleman for us. I think, for example, Villa have a lot of players in their late twenties which is a risky strategy, as they only need 1 bad season and they're in big financial trouble.

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

Will that be the case though?

The top teams are still paying bug bucks, Chelsea will find a way around being able to spend money.
Man City spent £150m this window
Utd spent £215m in the summer
Even Villa spent £208m, (recouped £178m)

City have already had a massive spotlight shone on them; the PL will have to poo or get off the pot when the next lot of potential charges rolls around. If that’s what it takes to kill PSR then fine by me.

Utd are apparently in dire straits re PSR already so their spending will dry up almost completely.

Re Villa - It’s the recouped amount that’s interesting. Once the clubs that are signing their players face restrictions, so will Villa.

It’s a house of cards in more ways than one. Either PL stick to their guns and enforce to the letter, and clubs all but stop attracting the biggest talent to the league, or they realise their error and sack it off. Either way it’s coming.

I’ve always found it very odd that the PL has this power over a group of independent businesses. Wildly inappropriate and stifling the product they wilfully put in place in the early 90s.

 

[jazzy]

Just 90m on Gvardiol
75m on Marmoush
62m on Nunes
60m on Halland
60m on Doku
49m on Phillips
40m Khusanov
37m on Reis
29m on Kovacic
25m on Savinho
in the last 3 years

I agree they are probably fine for PSR, but they are still spending more than they take in transfers.

Sorry not to make myself I meant ( and thought it was reasonably obvious) in the 3 years prior to January's splurge.

Haven't Gvardiol, Haaland , Doku Kovacic , Nunes and Phillips been there for that period?

Maybe you're right my memory is going as I get older

 

[jazzy]

Thought it was interesting that Utd are using PSR as an excuse to raise ticket prices.

So you think the real truth of it is to increase income for owners ?

Raising ticket prices to deal with PSR when you've spent £200 million in the previous window

 

[bluestevon]

City have already had a massive spotlight shone on them; the PL will have to poo or get off the pot when the next lot of potential charges rolls around. If that’s what it takes to kill PSR then fine by me.

Utd are apparently in dire straits re PSR already so their spending will dry up almost completely.

Re Villa - It’s the recouped amount that’s interesting. Once the clubs that are signing their players face restrictions, so will Villa.

It’s a house of cards in more ways than one. Either PL stick to their guns and enforce to the letter, and clubs all but stop attracting the biggest talent to the league, or they realise their error and sack it off. Either way it’s coming.

I’ve always found it very odd that the PL has this power over a group of independent businesses. Wildly inappropriate and stifling the product they wilfully put in place in the early 90s.

Think it was all their attempt to keep the scab clubs happy in the league by putting in place rules that ensured they'd stay there. Or at least that was the theory behind PSR.

Funny thing is since they brought it in the scab 6 are in part wobbling badly due to atrocious recruitment and managerial decisions and a few terrible new owners.

Be great to see both United, Spurs and hopefully both City and Chelsea dropping out the CL places this season, even better to see them with zero European footy at all, what I'd give to see United and Spurs completely implode and go down though, and see how the league would manage to invent PSR charges out the blue to send someone down in their place

 

[Curtis]

So maybe ferguson on the move prob be west ham because money the have this window for a stiker tho

West Ham are supposedly in talks with rb Leipzig regarding Alvarez last I looked

 

[Joey66]

West Ham are supposedly in talks with rb Leipzig regarding Alvarez last I looked

W Ham seem to go after every player we are linked too!

Our problem is we have not got rid of any deadwood Keane - Beto etc.....

 

[Zatara]

Depends on the price, Diarra is a year younger and more experienced, no injury history, Chuckamucka has had a fair few serious injuries but looks a prodigious talent and is English so no chance of not settling or adjusting.

Diarra for 20m compared to 40m for Chuck is a massive difference though also.

Neil my brother really likes, I'm not sure he's much of a different level to Garner though.

Diarra for me although I'm not against either tbh

Some comments i read in the past suggest Chukwuemeka may be quite one footed, cant say ive really noticed that though.

Diarra seems a bargain at half the price.

Have to say though, Chukwuemeka & Iroegbunam reunited could be quite appetising as they were apparently great together at Villa.

 

[RomanReigns]

The fact he binned off his team’s last game without permission tells you all you need to know about him I reckon.

he did score the winner for them in the fa cup and earned them a bunch of money for that especially with the next round being against liverpool

 

[Terrarian]

I must admit, I'm surprised we've not got anyone in yet, we love wasting games during transfer windows don't we. It should be planned ahead and business done as early as possible to try help in as many games as possible.

I understand it's a tricky market but when faced with relegation battles, things should be moving faster imo.

 

[ToffeeScot]

Hoping we get a bit of an update from Moyes today.

 

[toffeeblue9]

Some comments i read in the past suggest Chukwuemeka may be quite one footed, cant say ive really noticed that though.

Diarra seems a bargain at half the price.

Have to say though, Chukwuemeka & Iroegbunam reunited could be quite appetising as they were apparently great together at Villa.

Funnily enough, I've not seen anyone say that but I did get that impression from his highlight clips