New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

[matty1878]

#TeamSergio. I'm warming to this but we'd have to act fast by the sound of it.

It's a massive challenge for anyone but no decent manager should be put off by that. There is someone out there that can pick this club up off the floor and back on the right track.

all day long mate

 

[OnlyTheBestIsGoodEnough]

Why, can fancy managers not manage in relegation battles?

How’s Bournemouth’s fancy non-relegation battling manager getting on?

You could also add Emery to the list Aston Villa were fighting relegation at the time and look what he has done with them because they took a risk on 'a fancy manager'

 

[duncs pigeon]

ok mate - therye stadium is poo

they BOO more than us

yes a better squad but they don’t have our potential

a fancy manager? christ mate we’re getting rid of a dullard not to swap for another

Not having that mate, nobody is as good as us.. boooooooooo

 

[Exeter_Gently]

If its between us and Wet Spam Conceicao would pick them every day of week at this moment in time unfortunately.

 

[Lanolin]

Sergio Concaiceo came into Porto when they weren't doing as well as they should and look what he managed to do in the seven years while he was there

That's one way of looking at it, but them 'not doing as well as they should' was finishing 2nd in the league the season before he took over, they weren't exactly relegation fodder. I'm not against him coming in but I think it's easy to get carried away with people who manage the biggest clubs in slightly lower leagues, you can convince yourself that they're the mythical 'winner' you need but it can sometimes just turn out that winning trophies with those teams wasn't that difficult. I'm looking at you Vitor Pereira.

 

[PhilEFC]

Need to pump our brakes here.

We haven’t sacked Dyche yet, and we aren’t even at the mulling over stage, never mind considering.

 

[OnlyTheBestIsGoodEnough]

That's one way of looking at it, but them 'not doing as well as they should' was finishing 2nd in the league the season before he took over, they weren't exactly relegation fodder. I'm not against him coming in but I think it's easy to get carried away with people who manage the biggest clubs in slightly lower leagues, you can convince yourself that they're the mythical 'winner' you need but it can sometimes just turn out that winning trophies with those teams wasn't that difficult. I'm looking at you Vitor Pereira.

You could also look at it as finishing 2nd is a failure as far as the owners of Porto are concerned especially since there are only 3 teams in that league that can potentially win it

 

[Lanolin]

Fans are crying out for some stability at this club but we will not get this if we keep employing these so called 'firefighter' managers again and again

That's why ideally I would have liked Dyche to be able to see out the season (or more pertinently, for the takeover to have been done in time for him to go last summer), so that there was no justification in going for a firefighter manager and we would be able to give someone time to get their feet under the table and work on things for a long term benefit instead of worrying about getting points on the board ASAP. The example of Iraola is a good one, he has been able to improve Bournemouth but it took time - he didn't win any of his first 9 games and took some batterings. There wouldn't be many cool heads in here if we were trying to get Keane, Doucoure, Mykolenko et al to play patient football out from the back and we were on that sort of run let's be honest, people would be hounding him out already. Unfortunately things have got worse under Dyche so we're probably going to have to punt him, but it would be a brave move to make an appointment for the long term in the position we're in, I would expect it to be another firefighter and so the cycle starts again.

 

[navidson]

Another day drains away

 

[OnlyTheBestIsGoodEnough]

That's why ideally I would have liked Dyche to be able to see out the season (or more pertinently, for the takeover to have been done in time for him to go last summer), so that there was no justification in going for a firefighter manager and we would be able to give someone time to get their feet under the table and work on things for a long term benefit instead of worrying about getting points on the board ASAP. The example of Iraola is a good one, he has been able to improve Bournemouth but it took time - he didn't win any of his first 9 games and took some batterings. There wouldn't be many cool heads in here if we were trying to get Keane, Doucoure, Mykolenko et al to play patient football out from the back and we were on that sort of run let's be honest, people would be hounding him out already. Unfortunately things have got worse under Dyche so we're probably going to have to punt him, but it would be a brave move to make an appointment for the long term in the position we're in, I would expect it to be another firefighter and so the cycle starts again.

I was in this boat as well at the start of the season just let him see out his contract and start a fresh in the summer but as you have also mentioned it's just not working out, the players aren't playing for him and are devoid of ideas on the pitch

 

[Lanolin]

You could also look at it as finishing 2nd is a failure as far as the owners of Porto are concerned especially since there are only 3 teams in that league that can potentially win it

Well you could yes, but then in his last season they finished 3rd, so your 'look what he managed to do in his time there' wouldn't really work, because it would effectively mean he'd ultimately taken them backwards. The reality is that as you say, only 3 teams can really win it, and so it's hard to know how well he did in relative terms because most managers do win the league with Porto. Like I said, I don't know enough about his actual ability as a coach etc to offer an opinion, i'm just saying winning trophies at Porto or an equivalent isn't really enough to go on I don't think.

 

[OnlyTheBestIsGoodEnough]

Well you could yes, but then in his last season they finished 3rd, so your 'look what he managed to do in his time there' wouldn't really work, because it would effectively mean he'd ultimately taken them backwards. The reality is that as you say, only 3 teams can really win it, and so it's hard to know how well he did in relative terms because most managers do win the league with Porto. Like I said, I don't know enough about his actual ability as a coach etc to offer an opinion, i'm just saying winning trophies at Porto or an equivalent isn't really enough to go on I don't think.

I understand this, time will tell with Amorim at Man Utd, I could mention countless managers that have come to the Premier league that have had similar success when they managed in the lesser European leagues but I digress and hope TFG have a bit of ambition/risk when it comes to bringing in the new manager

 

[Deulofeumygod]

I think your right 'no fancy managers for us' we should wait till this time next year when we are in a relegation battle sack our 'firefighter' manager and get another one in and just keep repeating the vicious cycle

It is a huge job for a new manager to come in with an aging squad, financial restrictions etc. It is a horrible vicious circle.

If Dyche had 2/3 more wins right now, I would be all for a fancy manager.

Just my two pence.

 

[brieverton]

Conceicao had a 50% win rate at Nantes (13 from 26) which is a decent enough number of games to form some judgement.

Another weaker league admittedly but I'd imagine Nantes would be hard pressed to find a coach with that win percentage before or since.

I'd need to know more of the context of those games too but at least there is something to go on there in addition to his time at Porto.

Braga 53% win but not the same story at his other clubs - mid to high 20s in % at three other Portuguese clubs but have to make allowances there with traditionally weak and smaller clubs - in that context it's not bad at all.

Ideally for hiring someone from the so-called weaker leagues I'd like to see a track record of relative success at at least two clubs and arguably he has that.

There is enough there for him to be of interest anyway and to merit a place on the short list.

 

[KMC]

NO MANAGER is looking to join us until there is -

1. New ownership in place.
2. Cost & Budget certainty.
3. No issue of more points deductions.

And that I fear will keep Sean Dyche in place as nobody wants to be at the helm of a truly dysfunctional club that is plummeting toward the Championship.

Great stadium though so should be a nice office...