Debunkology
Player Valuation: £10m
Really?
And parroted all over internet there after by mainstream media and the like.
Really?
And parroted all over internet there after by mainstream media and the like.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
BullensRoad
Player Valuation: £20m
Staying at goodison would have done worse I’m afraid.
Eggsyblueskin
Player Valuation: £40m
Damage is already done .
The BMD is just lipstick on the pig .
Or glitter on the turd .
Whichever is your preference?
BullensRoad
Player Valuation: £20m
Hate to say it but the old pit looks a lot better than what it is now:
If we redeveloped goodison it would need a shed loads of derelict space round it like their new place has. Would have hated that.
If we redeveloped goodison it would need a shed loads of derelict space round it like their new place has. Would have hated that.
Noggsy blue
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Little clip from tonight, main one uploading to YouTube
Tom Hughes
Player Valuation: £10m
Did you hate it when we knocked down all the houses behind the Park End in the 60s and 90s? Be honest, did it even register? There was no campaign against the demolitions. Or were you ashamed when you heard about us knocking down a whole row of houses on one side of Gwladys St, to build the upper tier in the 1930s, or were you proud that the club created the first UK stadium with double-decker stands on all sides...... a stadium that was the finest in the country for generations and was the automatic choice for a world cup semi-final in 1966?
We're spending £750m on BMD. We could've comfortably put all effected residents in penthouse apartments in Stanley Dock and fully redeveloped GP for a fraction of that.
AndyRJ
Player Valuation: £1m
In your opinion. Lets be honest, you might be able to have a semi-educated guess but the reality is you have no real idea how much a re-developed GP would cost at the end of the day.
We're no doubt paying a premium to re-develop a dockland site but to suggest re-developing GP would be a fraction of the current BM cost...unless you mean 3/4 as a 'fraction' (£562m) then maybe.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
The AR stand is finally nearing completion now having an estimated cost of 80 million before the delay, which probably bumped it up further, plus whatever it has cost them in lost income seeing they had to play half a season with a lower capacity than they started. All that and they had the land already cleared and had a serviceable lower tier they were building upon. We have one stand in a similar position, the rest would surely be more complex and thus expensive.
Considering prices have gone up since, we must be looking in the ball park of 500 million. However that figure in the end would likely be much more as by the time we built and paid for one and competed the enabling groundwork on the next stand it could be a decade or more down the line and the price could have gone up by who knows.
Interesting looking at pictures of the respective sites taken on the same day (2nd of December 2021).
Noggsy blue
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Latest update, enjoy guys
Tom Hughes
Player Valuation: £10m
I can point to any number of examples to show how it could be a fraction of the cost (and have done several times).
We really don't have to look too far for an obvious one (a few hundred metres across the park), which was only approx £200m construction cost to get from 45k to almost 62k capacity (it would've been less if they'd done both at the same time). I stood in the upper tier of another on Tuesday night, that cost far less again to go from 36k to 52k. There ard many more besides. So it's hardly a great mystery.
The simple maths is, it is almost always far cheeper to add say 20k or 30k capacity to an existing stadium, than to build a whole new 50k+ stadium from scratch. Which is why the majority of larger clubs have chosen the former approach. That theory even applies to the mega-rich clubs like Real Madrid and Barcelona who have both chosen redevelopment over new-build..... to prove that they need not be cheap and nasty addlibs. Obviously, for smaller clubs, the sale of their existing site would often cover the bulk or even all the costs of a new build. That rarely applies to those seeking stadia over 35k, since cost per seat rises almost exponentially with capacity.
Depending on the format chosen, 27k (or as high as 35k) of GP is entirely recyclable capacity. If 1, 2 or even 3 of the existing upper tiers were replaced with whole new tiers, and Park end expanded too to reach BMDs capacity... Then, even at Anfield's cost per seat for construction, it would only be £150-270m. The actual cost per seat would be less, because the starting construction height would be considerably lower on both the Gwladys St and Bullens Rd stands, because both lower tiers are much lower than those built over at Anfield. Therefore, there would be significantly less construction volume in total too, which is the greatest cost determining factor. So you could probably trim those figures by 30%+.
You could also extrapolate those numbers further to reach 60k or 65k capacity at GP. So, whichever way you want to cook it, the cost is a fraction of BMD everytime, because building 20-35k new capacity is always cheaper than building 53k... even more so when it costs £150m just to prep the new site, and conserve the surroundings.
How much would it cost for the whole of Anfield to be redeveloped?. I’m not trying to be funny, I understand and accept your opinion on this, however the whole of GP would need to be developed not just 2 stands. It’s not just about capacity, we need more boxes, more premium seats and more lounges as that’s where the money is. Bigger spaces to host conventions etc.
Gonna be gutted when its finished! LOve watching these updates, wont be the same without them
Quality as ever mate, at night it is something special now, Match nights are gonna be off the scale!
Thanks
Tom Hughes
Player Valuation: £10m
LFC's capacity has never fallen below their initial 45k capacity. For what it cost us just to acquire, prep and conserve our site, they built a stand the size of one of Wembley's with more corporate in it than the whole of BMD. Theyve just builg another that has 26 rows more than our blue wall. Their total outlay is less than one third ours, for almost 9k greater capacity. I'm sorry, but which ever we you want to equate the figures, it need never lead to a GP development costing £500m or anything close.
Tom Hughes
Player Valuation: £10m
We only have 22 boxes at BMD. There are only 4 flours of back of house construction at BMD (on 2 sides). This is more than matched at Anfield, which has almost double the corporate capacity and approx 3 times the number of boxes.
As I said earlier, well over half of GP is completely recyclable. So you do not have to start from nothing on any side. The existing lower tiers can be kept as is, or reprofiled. The bottom third of Anfield's mainstand was built in 1906 and predates anything at GP. As they and multiple others have shown, all the corporate required can be built into the new tiers and extended footprint over several floors.
