6 + 2 Point Deductions

[kenada_blue]

Whilst the premise of FFP is generally sound, to stop a Leeds or Pompey like was experienced in the 00s, the application has now created an even harder glass ceiling that we experienced under Moyes

The "big" sides have found ways to account differently and have the revenue to sustain being up there, this in turn makes it very difficult to gain the revenue to manage FFP effectively - a viscious cycle

We are seeing a cycle of teams trying to break into the top 6, failing and then having to pull back financially to balance the books and struggle e.g.

Leicester - amazing story but then ultimately balancing the books led to relegation
Wolves - a couple of great seasons post promotion then fell back
Everton - invested badly but have had to balance the books and ended up with breach and struggling against relegation

There are clubs which have not had as much as a drop in league position yet but have not challenged the top 6 domination

Brighton - well managed but ultimately just a feeder club
West Ham - well managed, won a trophy but don't look like challenging

then there a couple of sides that have broken the top 4 but FFP is going to hold them back - Villa and Newcastle

Agree with this post as we have being hit incredibly hard, potentially as a deterrent to others to not break the restrictive rules

That's what been fed.

The reality is that the Fit and Proper owners test came in to stop a Leeds or Pompey.

FFP came in due to Monaco (yeah remember them?), Chelsea, PSG, and Man City upsetting the elite and changing the financial ecosystem. They had to bring in something to tackle it and also protect the establishment.

 

[Blue peter]

Quick question, and I appreciate this doesn't help with current proceedings and points deductions, but can we not sue the PL for a breach of duty, when passing Moshiri as a fit and proper person to run a football club?

Could we not sue for our financial losses caused by his negligence which would not have happened if due diligence had been taken by the PL when approving him? or certainly threaten it.

 

[Martin Alvito]

tennis is a bad example though, its down to sheer talent of one individual, no investment or trading in "limbs"

How certain are you of that?

There is an absolute chasm between what the most marketable few players (of each gender) receive in endorsements and the rest of the tour. The whole support team for a top tennis player costs millions collectively, and they're there to help the player maximize availability and performance while cheating Father Time for as long as possible. If you're not in the top twenty, you're making do with far less support, and those costs eat most of the money earned. Players tend not to hang around long after realizing they'll never make that leap.

There's no question that it's impossible to get to the top of the tennis world without being a singular talent, but the flow of money into the game has made players more likely to stay there. Unlimited money naturally pools at the top of a sport, and makes it harder to break through.

Part of the reason the Prem (and football generally) have become less competitive is the regulatory bodies' insistence on endorsement money being all but unlimited. A small number of clubs (or countries) soak up most of that revenue, then exploit the disparity.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Yup, but last summer should count towards 23/24, which I didn't include - they also spent another 470m in that same window anyway, meaning that the next 3-year-period should be disastrous for them with a cool 1B just from the last 2 years.

But nothing will happen anyway.

What was the cost of the stadium too, was it 1 billion? The new owners are thinking of a further 1 billion stadium development to increase its capacity.

Stadiums.

 

[Dymak]

Quick question, and I appreciate this doesn't help with current proceedings and points deductions, but can we not sue the PL for a breach of duty, when passing Moshiri as a fit and proper person to run a football club?

Could we not sue for our financial losses caused by his negligence which would not have happened if due diligence had been taken by the PL when approving him? or certainly threaten it.

This is a non-starter. You’re effectively asking the PL to prevent morons from owning clubs. Apart from the fact that this would be highly discriminatory towards morons, how would the PL have possibly known that Moshiri would turn out to be a moron?

 

[NathDogg]

Spitty quoting talkshite, to defend his tweets and 180 spin backing the Pl from yesterday is up there with the best gobshitery I’ve ever witnessed.

Funny how the narrative has switched to blame the bad owners for breaking the rules, and that we shouldn’t have signed up to the rules in the first place.

We don’t need reminding and we do blame our inept owner and board, but how come the harshness of the punishment and the completely broken process for dealing with our case are no longer relevant to the media?

How come this is the first season ANY club has been on pitch sanctioned for FFP/PSR issues which have been going on for decades, and had previously been dealt with by off field sanctions and fines?

Could it also be that FFP and PSR are being shown up for the sham that they are.

Anyone would think murdochs lackeys have been told off by the PL….

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Spitty quoting talkshite, to defend his tweets and 180 spin backing the Pl from yesterday is up there with the best gobshitery I’ve ever witnessed.

Funny how the narrative has switched to blame the bad owners for breaking the rules, and that we shouldn’t have signed up to the rules in the first place.

We don’t need reminding and we do blame our inept owner and board, but how come the harshness of the punishment and the completely broken process for dealing with our case are no longer relevant to the media?

How come this is the first season ANY club has been on pitch sanctioned for FFP/PSR issues which have been going on for decades, and had previously been dealt with by off field sanctions and fines?

Could it also be that FFP and PSR are being shown up for the sham that they are.

Anyone would think murdochs lackeys have been told off by the PL….

There’s a “football finance expert” hanging around every street corner these days so end of the day you can find one who agrees with any opinion you choose to hold or believe, like Carragher has. It’s not worth stressing too much about what any of them say.

 

[Terrarian]

One of our sticking points is due to the ridiculously high wages we gave out on dross. We all agree we were stupid and we paid for it by not being able to sell these players.

I don't know how they expect us to change that narrative, if nobody wants to buy them we're stuck until contracts run down. We know that, we admit that and we have tried to rectify it in the last few seasons.

We simply can't keep getting punished for it. It is what it is, we know we buggered up and we are doing things different now and have made massive strides to get back in line.

We have very very low net spend but what are we supposed to do about players already here on stupid contracts? That should be covered on the first charge and then looked beyond as it is out of our control, we can't make clubs buy them.

 

[Pootsy]

This is a non-starter. You’re effectively asking the PL to prevent morons from owning clubs. Apart from the fact that this would be highly discriminatory towards morons, how would the PL have possibly known that Moshiri would turn out to be a moron?

Even more simplified:

How does a moron spot a moron and what colour crayon do they use to alert others with?

 

[kenada_blue]

Spitty quoting talkshite, to defend his tweets and 180 spin backing the Pl from yesterday is up there with the best gobshitery I’ve ever witnessed.

Funny how the narrative has switched to blame the bad owners for breaking the rules, and that we shouldn’t have signed up to the rules in the first place.

We don’t need reminding and we do blame our inept owner and board, but how come the harshness of the punishment and the completely broken process for dealing with our case are no longer relevant to the media?

How come this is the first season ANY club has been on pitch sanctioned for FFP/PSR issues which have been going on for decades, and had previously been dealt with by off field sanctions and fines?

Could it also be that FFP and PSR are being shown up for the sham that they are.

Anyone would think murdochs lackeys have been told off by the PL….

It's a clear plan from the PL to get them away from an independent commissioner.

Take on the big dog - City
Make an example out of an established club - Everton
Punish a newly promoted one - Forest.

Ticks all the boxes top middle and bottom. Our punishment sends a message and scares the league. Forests will put the lower sides trying to stay in the league on their toes

No one else will be caught or punished to these levels. They'll tweak and change the ruling to show they're improving.

By the time City get their day in court, the indie commission will have backed off. City will get off scott free.

Balance will be restored to the PL.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Quick question, and I appreciate this doesn't help with current proceedings and points deductions, but can we not sue the PL for a breach of duty, when passing Moshiri as a fit and proper person to run a football club?

Could we not sue for our financial losses caused by his negligence which would not have happened if due diligence had been taken by the PL when approving him? or certainly threaten it.

Who's we?

Spitty quoting talkshite, to defend his tweets and 180 spin backing the Pl from yesterday is up there with the best gobshitery I’ve ever witnessed.

Funny how the narrative has switched to blame the bad owners for breaking the rules, and that we shouldn’t have signed up to the rules in the first place.

We don’t need reminding and we do blame our inept owner and board, but how come the harshness of the punishment and the completely broken process for dealing with our case are no longer relevant to the media?

How come this is the first season ANY club has been on pitch sanctioned for FFP/PSR issues which have been going on for decades, and had previously been dealt with by off field sanctions and fines?

Could it also be that FFP and PSR are being shown up for the sham that they are.

Anyone would think murdochs lackeys have been told off by the PL….

Which ones mate?

 

[gwladysnight]

It's a clear plan from the PL to get them away from an independent commissioner.

Take on the big dog - City
Make an example out of an established club - Everton
Punish a newly promoted one - Forest.

Ticks all the boxes top middle and bottom. Our punishment sends a message and scares the league. Forests will put the lower sides trying to stay in the league on their toes

No one else will be caught or punished to these levels. They'll tweak and change the ruling to show they're improving.

By the time City get their day in court, the indie commission will have backed off. City will get off scott free.

Balance will be restored to the PL.

They started proceedings against City in 2018, years before an Independent regulator was even dreamt of.

They are punishing Everton because we have admitted breaching PSR. The same with Forest.

The clubs who have heeded the rules around PSR haven't been charged.

 

[NathDogg]

I see Rawks finest are back.

 

[Taifi gorm]

Funny how all these anti-everton media blitz have appeared since the parliament hearing

Alot of them connected to city as well. Strange angle for them to take. You would think city would rather discredit the leagues findings.

 

[Del-boy]

if the appeal fails can we appeal the appeal?

Probably take it to the CAS, but you’re looking at years down the line. At which point we’d probably be relegated so it would be pointless.