6 + 2 Point Deductions

chicoazul said:
Where’s all the fans who sang “we’re f-ing rich” at Villa away when Moshiri took over?

I didn’t put my hand up at a Russian oligarch taking over Everton, didn’t see any others either.

Others will choose to see this as karma.

Glass ceilings baby.
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Actually I sang ' we're fing rich, but am slightly concerned about the moral implications of this owner and our long term financial status'




No-one joined in
 

As a football team, we have to presume we'll lose the appeal and be found guilty again. This doesn't mean we should start playing suicidal football trying to win every game, but we must try and get 10 points ahead of the 18th club by the end of the season. You could tell by Masters' performance in the select committee that they're delighted with the reaction from the other teams to Everton's points deduction, so we have to presume they will stick to it at all costs. We also have to presume that the £20 million we weren't allowed to mitigate with will not happen, and sell players to make sure we pass next year. Then we can move on.
 
WestStandLower said:
As is plainly obvious, and something I have never hidden on here I am a Chelsea supporter and whilst I don’t come close to having a second team there are teams I despise, many because of how you are treated at their grounds, or because of rivalry or maybe your good mates support a team and they are balanced ( two Everton ST falling his category) or simply like say Leeds because of history between the clubs
On the two occasions I watched games at Goodison it was a joy I met my two Everton supporting mates before the game, we had a drink in an Everton fans designated pub. No one blinked that I was a Chelsea supporter indeed my leg was well and truly pulled it was fun without a hint of aggression. Whereas across the road I was spat on and one of our number had a condom full of pee thrown at him
I have a lot of time for Everton and on the couple of occasions I spoke to Bill Kenright , like Bobby Robson you know they were football men.
Anyways to your post
You are right about the loans and their proposed uses as I said the other day this was a “ schoolboy error”
But the third point re player X I am not sure is relevant whereas the first two clearly are
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As a Chelsea supporter, you would remember the Mutu case and how long it took you to sue him and how long it took to get recompense. You sacked Mutu in 2004 and it took six years to get a court ruling that he owed Chelsea £14.3m for breaching his contract. A decade later and you were still chasing him for that money.

Yet Moshiri was trying to claim £10m as a deduction for not suing him. From an accounting point of view you can only claim for things that are probable in that financial year.
 
hallamblue said:
As a football team, we have to presume we'll lose the appeal and be found guilty again. This doesn't mean we should start playing suicidal football trying to win every game, but we must try and get 10 points ahead of the 18th club by the end of the season. You could tell by Masters' performance in the select committee that they're delighted with the reaction from the other teams to Everton's points deduction, so we have to presume they will stick to it at all costs. We also have to presume that the £20 million we weren't allowed to mitigate with will not happen, and sell players to make sure we pass next year. Then we can move on.
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We sold Iwobi for over 20m, as well as Tom Cannon and Demerai Gray, after the end of the last accounting period. We might also have sold someone else, but I can't remember who. But there was probably close to £40m in sales there alone, plus wages saved.
 
gwladysnight said:
Even if the loans were documented differently though we still fail PSR and get a points deduction.

I think in terms of mitigation then you are right the fact that we couldn't get loans for the Stadium means we should be able to use that as a mitigating factor. The issue is that when you go further and try and use them as a deduction and mislead the Premier League then the IC has to make a ruling. Once they make that ruling you pretty much lose it as a mitigating factor and in the case of misleading the PL it becomes an aggravating factor.
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I think that’s right and not seeing all the paperwork you would have thought that this a bone of contention would have been exposed when discussions took place re capitalisation of the pre planning expenditure which resulted in the PLs concession. Perhaps it was and Everton were told no at that point if that’s right and they still tried to claim it well you couldn’t make it up
 

gwladysnight said:
Even if the loans were documented differently though we still fail PSR and get a points deduction.

I think in terms of mitigation then you are right the fact that we couldn't get loans for the Stadium means we should be able to use that as a mitigating factor. The issue is that when you go further and try and use them as a deduction and mislead the Premier League then the IC has to make a ruling. Once they make that ruling you pretty much lose it as a mitigating factor and in the case of misleading the PL it becomes an aggravating factor.
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The first paragraph is just not true though, is it!? t's widely accepted that with no actual framework, there's nothing to say a points deduction must be applied.
 
gwladysnight said:
As a Chelsea supporter, you would remember the Mutu case and how long it took you to sue him and how long it took to get recompense. You sacked Mutu in 2004 and it took six years to get a court ruling that he owed Chelsea £14.3m for breaching his contract. A decade later and you were still chasing him for that money.

Yet Moshiri was trying to claim £10m as a deduction for not suing him. From an accounting point of view you can only claim for things that are probable in that financial year.
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I was at the game when Mutu made his debut looked a player but alas he liked the ole Coke.
Its not a decade later it’s two decades later and that money will never be seen
The only point I was making about player X is them having the money isn’t actually 100%relevant but the overall point you are making is correct.
 
John from Bootle said:
The first paragraph is just not true though, is it!? t's widely accepted that with no actual framework, there's nothing to say a points deduction must be applied.
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A points deduction is inevitable though. Legal precedents are that there is an inference that a significant PSR breach gives a sporting advantage. We admitted a significant breach. Even if you argued about that inference you would almost certainly lose on the balance of probabilities.

That becomes an irrelevance though when your owner tells the IC that he basically broke PSR to replace a non-existent midfield.
 

Del-boy said:
TalkSPORT now. Worth a listen. Fella who seems to know what he’s talking about saying we are likely to get a third breach next season. This is because our numbers just don’t add up. Also said our defence at the commission was simply bizarre and if anything made it worse.
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