Moderatelywarmwater
Player Valuation: £10m
Yeah, but the rules were not that. They knew the rules and knowingly breached them. I have zero sympathy.
They spent money like water and even their own manager thought it was crazy
They spent money like water and even their own manager thought it was crazy
For the sake of counter-argument if a team is looking to stay up then they are competing against 3 other teams who aren't spending £105M on one player. They may all play against those bigger spending teams but they don't have to outperform them over the course of a season.
And in accounting terms no club is dropping £105M on a single player in one evaluation period.
MACCA75
Player Valuation: £70m
Always a mug like us paying for them, thinking they are more our level (Schneiderlin, Walcott, Iwobi etc)
Look at transfer windows in the recent past. Out of the Scab 6 who has actually gone ahead and done what they want regardless. Even Chelsea have made attempts to balance the books with plenty of sales and will likely have to do so again to give wriggle room for further signings.
It will be interesting in a year or two though to see how well they've managed to balance things out with CL football looking further out of reach every week.
John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £15m
in some farce of a league maybe. There's millions of pounds up for grabs for every place earned. Are we really saying that anybody who wants to stay up should in no way set their sights higher than finishing 4th bottom?
Best league in der world eh?
No. I'm saying to achieve the minimum target then they have to be better than 3 teams over the course of a season and it's hugely unlikely that those teams are dropping £105M+ on single players.
By your definition the English top flight has never been anything over than a farce since the professional league came into existence. There has never been a time when all competing teams have had serious title challenging credentials.
Lloydaldo11
Player Valuation: £2.5m
If masters indeed called us a small club, I hope the club pick this up.
I did say yesterday, fully expect masters to “move on” in the near future
I did say yesterday, fully expect masters to “move on” in the near future
John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £15m
@gwladysnight
You still sticking by your assertion that the stadium still needs "100's of millions" spent on it?
Using your maths, the stadium so far must have cost about £5 billion, seeing as the roof is nearly done, and materials to complete it are on site, and 3 of the stands/terraces are complete, with the 4th being about 80% done
You still sticking by your assertion that the stadium still needs "100's of millions" spent on it?
Using your maths, the stadium so far must have cost about £5 billion, seeing as the roof is nearly done, and materials to complete it are on site, and 3 of the stands/terraces are complete, with the 4th being about 80% done
What denial?
I think the rules are a nonsense. I think Everton are being punished for building a stadium and Forest are being punished for building a better football team. That's my opinion. You won't change it.
And you still haven't given me a single valid reason why both these clubs should be punished for these things under sustainability rules. Your pro-PL agenda is baffling, and you clearly haven't read the findings properly. That much is clear from your posts.
pfim
Player Valuation: £40m
I'm not seeing it the same. If Brighton pocket 100 million in 6/2023, they should be set for the prior two years and the following two years. Especially since the player amortization and wages they'd pay a new, younger play, would pale in comparison to their profit on sales.
Having said all of that, the rolling 3 year thing is unnecessary. If it's a percentage of revenues, it's easily tested each year and you're either in compliance or you are not. Agent fees and amortization are part of that number, it will put a huge downward pressure on transfer fees and player salaries, which is what this is all about (it's not about corruption, treating some clubs differently than others, it's simply about controlling player costs).
Goodisongang
Player Valuation: £25m
well i'll start with united because they are the easiest, lets look at the last say 10 years since this FFP thing was introduced
these are off the top off my head so could be more
Pogba- Big fee left on a free
Martial- Big fee about to leave on a free
Sanchez- Big fee left on a free
Matic- Big fee left on a free
Bailly- Big fee left on a free
Mata- Big fee left on a free
Fellaini- Big fee left on a free
Rojo- Big fee left on a free
Herrera Big fee left on a free
Schweinsteigher- not a massive fee but he was on about 300 bags a week
darmian- big fee left on a free
then you add in players who signed for big fees and left for A LOT less, lets say Fred? must have lost about 50m on him, maguire they are going to lose about 70+ on him, sanho the same?, depay? sure they lost a lot on him, that mykatarian feller?
two wrongs dont make a right i know this, but it shows bigger teams can make more of a mess than what we have ( some how ) and get away with it because of who they are and how the FFP works.
Why should a team coming up not have far higher aspirations than finishing 17th?
John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £15m
Well, no, not every team can win every match. We have seen newly promoted teams go on to win the league, then European cup etc. Everton went from being mid-table to best team in the country over a sustained period in the 80's. Doesn't happen anymore.
In short, the last paragraph you wrote doesn't hold up.
bluenorthwarrior
Player Valuation: £8m
Brighton is interesting and got me thinking. They have sold really well but looking at a 3 year rolling period you could get the following;
Y1 - sell well and make 200m profit
Y2 - invest and make 100m loss
Y3 - invest and make 100m loss
Y4 - break even
As a business over 4 years they break even, but would fail PSR by 95m in the Y2, 3 & 4 rolling period. Is that fair play?
Y1 - sell well and make 200m profit
Y2 - invest and make 100m loss
Y3 - invest and make 100m loss
Y4 - break even
As a business over 4 years they break even, but would fail PSR by 95m in the Y2, 3 & 4 rolling period. Is that fair play?
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