6 + 2 Point Deductions

[kenada_blue]

On the forest case, it’s about as clear a breach as you could imagine. They literally have only themselves to blame.
These were rules they agreed to and knowingly broke.
There is no doubt with them, they are guilty as sin.

If they had the £100+mill loss benchmark like all the other established teams, they'd be fine.

They lost a whole squad coming up and bought a new one. Common sense would say they've tightened their belts and if they had the January window would probably rectify a loss

But nah.

 

[Nymzee]

Sandgrounder?

Barrow

 

[Joey66]

Good points from Damian Green, but also Rick Parry describing why the current system is crap and describing a much better system. Not particularly helpful when your club’s being destroyed by the old crap system though.

Rick Parry thought I recognised the name, a big boyhood Liverpool supporter ..... urm ?

How he has arrived here is interesting. Parry, who was criticised by some at Liverpool for inviting every staff member to Turkey for the 2005 Champions League final and thus leaving the club's megastore empty the day after that triumph, has held prominent positions within European football.

He was elected to the board of the European Club Association, while sitting on UEFA's club licensing and financial fair play control board.

That included the investigation into Manchester City's alleged breaches, eventually thrown out on appeal at the Court of Arbitration for Sport. There is certainly no love lost between City and Parry.

Now he is a key figure in the future of the sport. In a letter to EFL owners on Sunday, Parry described the proposals as having been 'developed in close collaboration with a number of clubs'. A few eyebrows were raised when it became clear that discussions on Project Big Picture had started in 2017.

 

[bitter-no-better]

Never thought we would be sitting here watching Parliament like it was transfer deadline day

FYI I watched it too, was riveting.

It was quite interesting and gave you a good view of not just our situation but the effect the premier league has on the championship clubs. eg those relegated from the prem are allowed to spend more and get more revenue from players sold when relegated.

And the fact you are 3 times more likely to come back up to the prem due to a larger gap in finance with parachute payments and spend limits.

 

[Shibbywiggles]

If they had the £100+mill loss benchmark like all the other established teams, they'd be fine.

They lost a whole squad coming up and bought a new one. Common sense would say they've tightened their belts and if they had the January window would probably rectify a loss

But nah.

The problem was they bought two squads! I cba to look at the numbers but I’d wager last season they bought at least ten more players than we’ve given minutes to this season.
They paid Lingard something like £125kpw to not play which is close to as bad as Walsh era Everton deals!

 

[gwladysnight]

I'm baffled by the idea anyone would think Forest or Everton are cheating.

I could understand if there was blatant fraud or something going on, but these are all technical accounting arguments. Absolutely nothing to do with football.

The denial from you is breathtaking. Moshiri has come out and admitted that we had to carry on spending because the midfield was crap. As for Forest the reaction from their fans is totally different. They have in essence put their hands up and know the club broke the rules.

 

[kenada_blue]

It's been that way for decades, has little to do with PSR.

But the arguement is then while Chelsea for example buy 2 players for £100mill each to get back into the top 4...Brighton pocket £100mill and still in the same position to fight for a top 10 position. PSR doesn't allow a team growth because if there's a hiccup over that rolling 3 years...you can get pulled up. While the big boys carry on.

Say Brighton spend £200mill next summer with a little say £60mill net, just to try and grow and compete. If it doesn't work they'll looking over their shoulder for the next few years and will have to balance the books. Look at Newcastle now.

This doesn't happen for the top 6 sides which is where the imbalance comes in.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

yeah I'm almost as angry about that one as ours, mainly because of the future implications. It makes the idea of relegation and promotion pretty meaningless if your hands are so tied that you can't compete when you get back up

Yeah, I think you could criticise HOW they spent their money (buy fewer but higher quality players) but when you look at where they finished it shows how much you need to spend just to survive by a few points. It’s madness they are punished for it the next season.

Burnley spent 100m in the summer and they are awful, and if they stay up it will be because of points deductions. Staying up costs a fortune, that’s why some clubs embrace being yo-yo clubs. And now if you do try to stay in the league they’ll get you another way.

The 105 number from ten years ago is ludicrous. It should be twice that now the current game and the current world. You’re competing against teams that spend that on one player.

 

[kenada_blue]

The problem was they bought two squads! I cba to look at the numbers but I’d wager last season they bought at least ten more players than we’ve given minutes to this season.
They paid Lingard something like £125kpw to not play which is close to as bad as Walsh era Everton deals!

Of course. But again the issue is the reasoning why promoted sides have £61mill losses compared to £100+mill established clubs have. And they're apparently over by £12.5mill.

Put into perspective...Burnley spent £100mill net this season.

 

[kev]

Barrow

Should have said 'in fairness'

 

[Toffeelover]

The denial from you is breathtaking. Moshiri has come out and admitted that we had to carry on spending because the midfield was crap. As for Forest the reaction from their fans is totally different. They have in essence put their hands up and know the club broke the rules.

Wonder how they would feel with a 10 point deduction ?

 

[Lord Byron]

Parry’s Liverpool connection aside, I thought he came across as honest and professional unlike the other snake in the grass.

 

[Toffeelover]

City are getting away with it because they have the money to fight it.

 

[Tel001]

Yes but we also recouped big money from a few players, say we had no assets to sell ( lukaku, stones etc ) suddenly 2 or 3 bad signings puts you in danger.

Again, it's our own fault because the purchases were horrendous, but other clubs ( scab 6 ) can just do as they want regardless of how their signings go because the revenues

How many big signings have left the scab 6 on free transfers?

 

[Tony’s Carp]

But the arguement is then while Chelsea for example buy 2 players for £100mill each to get back into the top 4...Brighton pocket £100mill and still in the same position to fight for a top 10 position. PSR doesn't allow a team growth because if there's a hiccup over that rolling 3 years...you can get pulled up. While the big boys carry on.

Say Brighton spend £200mill next summer with a little say £60mill net, just to try and grow and compete. If it doesn't work they'll looking over their shoulder for the next few years and will have to balance the books. Look at Newcastle now.

This doesn't happen for the top 6 sides which is where the imbalance comes in.

Yeah, football has always been more or less about who has the most money. That’s life and unless you embrace some sort of US-style socialism/ profit sharing there’s not much you can do about it.

The problem with FFP is that it’s frozen time: it’s not about who has the most money now but who had the most money when it was implemented.

I’ve no love for Newcastle or the Saudis but if they are the richest club they should be able to spend like the richest club. The big six could when they were.