6 + 2 Point Deductions

[matty1878]

We spend close to that every day if the 20m per month working capital needs is accurate.

We're talking 100s of millions if we get hammered for more points.

i’m everywhere with all this as @hallamblue knows.

were do get any income from as of now?

 

[Goat]

….ffs, I feel sick to my stomach with all this.

Its honestly not even worth worrying yourself over.

Its just like WW3, its happening, so focus on better things.

 

[BlueandBald]

I don't agree with their charge at all. They made recruitment mistakes and signed too many players, but they absolutely do not deserve a points deductions for that. They put together a side that earned safety on the pitch, that's what matters. Or at least that's what used to matter in football.

Nobody deserves a points deduction for this but if Everton get one (two) I hope they do too. They've made a bigger lose than us and haven't factored in building a new stadium, losing a player, and losing their main sponsor through a war.

 

[Goat]

At this stage they have knowledged the charges.
Not admitted to them.

The two clubs have each confirmed to the Premier League that they are in breach of the League’s Profitability and Sustainability Rules.

 

[matty1878]

Its honestly not even worth worrying yourself over.

Its just like WW3, its happening, so focus on better things.

which part mate

 

[Bez2k2k]

Honestly, me and my wife, who is a Liverpool season ticket holder, are expecting our first baby in 4 weeks. We have argued and had proper rows about Everton and Liverpool, I am now resigned to let it be a Liverpool supporter. I barely want to support the club anymore myself, it’s sad. I am well and truly on my way to calling it a day.

 

[indieman1]

I just cant see this second charge sticking. Not one bit of it.

It goes against natural justice, something that couldn't be said I suppose against the first charge.

You cant be charged for the same offence twice. The PL itself will amend their guidelines concerning this in the summer.

You'd imagine it would be a factor considered when determining the punishment.

The frustration is that this was all so foreseeable. We were stupid enough to support the rules. Stupid enough to breach them and then too stupid to take sufficient corrective action last accounting period to avoid a repetition. The mismanagement here will be a case study for generations of business students to come.

 

[Nyhus]

I would forget preparing for the appeal or new charge and go straight to real law courts by suing the PL over anti-competitive rules, the application of double jeopardy within those rules, and lack of transparent sanction policy.

I know common wisdom is PL rules mean you can't but any entity operating in UK is subject to UK law and illegal rules can be challenged.

Same. Blow the rest of our money on a team that can legally take this crap to task and make it super public. Enough of this ‘oh lil ol Everton, trying to keep things calm and quiet’-bs. Make a stink, a loud one. Go to the media and point out the obvious corruption every time it happenss. Yes, we will be fined, who cares? Spend a tiny % of the birdboy money paying fines and keep pushing. They are clearly not backing down, so we need to put every card related to their corrupt behaviour on the table. Throw every single corrupt PL official under the bus, make their behaviour plain for all to see.

 

[tsubaki]

It is a different PSR period.

It would be similar to saying you can't do me for speeding today because you caught me yesterday.

The idea of a rolling three-year period is that it gives a club some leeway if they have big losses in one year. If you have one year with big losses you have two years to put it right. Instead of doing that the board tried to blag it and got caught.

You have to take the years already adjudicated on though, as otherwise (as davek points out) you are docking points for the same offences.

If they dock us points for this again we probably will end up with a thirty point deduction over three seasons, for probably under £15 million of an overspend over three PSR periods. I am not sure how they'd ever begin to defend that legally.

 

[BlueShark]

….ffs, I feel sick to my stomach with all this.

If you're like me it's because you're watching the club you love suffering death from 1000 cuts.

Mismanaged for years and now being deliberately stitched up by the PL....it's been a long, exhausting and demoralising ride.

 

[MACCA75]

It is a different PSR period.

It would be similar to saying you can't do me for speeding today because you caught me yesterday.

The idea of a rolling three-year period is that it gives a club some leeway if they have big losses in one year. If you have one year with big losses you have two years to put it right. Instead of doing that the board tried to blag it and got caught.

Not really. It’s like being caught doing 90mph and then being caught doing 80mph further up the road when you are trying to slow down.

 

[Deulofeumygod]

….ffs, I feel sick to my stomach with all this.

That was me all last night and today.

Can’t use my phone at school but was trying to check every available minute.

I’m beyond angry and now just feel so depressed by all this.

 

[Marius57]

It is a different PSR period.

It would be similar to saying you can't do me for speeding today because you caught me yesterday.

The idea of a rolling three-year period is that it gives a club some leeway if they have big losses in one year. If you have one year with big losses you have two years to put it right. Instead of doing that the board tried to blag it and got caught.

The downfall is, we have been punished for a previous charge after the end of the year we have just submitted.

We believed we were compliant in that previous cycle, meaning that we continued into the year just submitted unable to make any necessary changes to ensure compliance because it was unknown.

Your speeding example doesn’t really add up, the 3 year cycle more aligns with the rules that if you get caught speeding and go through a further speed camera on the same road within a certain timeframe, it is considered the same journey and you won’t get a double punishment.

 

[Jamiednm]

The two clubs have each confirmed to the Premier League that they are in breach of the League’s Profitability and Sustainability Rules.

According to the PL. Not according to Everton.

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

But we've already been found guilty, so can't be tried for the same crime twice under double jeopardy

I believe double jeopardy would relate to criminal cases, not civil cases, and was essentially scrapped in the UK in relation to the Stephen Lawrence case and following Macpherson Report. Besides, this isn’t a legal case, it’s a Premier League hearing or sanction.