6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Goat]

2070: Man City legal team successfully win battle with ESL (formally EPL) on 50 year old FFP case. Citing that the age old case it is no longer relevant.

Citys case will take years, they arent admitting a single thing and challenging every piece of evidence.

 

[Moderatelywarmwater]

Does Dave have an off switch for his ego?

 

[Goat]

Does Dave have an off switch for his ego?

Lets all just be happy he has moved away from Sir Keir.

 

[MikeH72]

Missus just brought me home a Greggs, life is good.

@chicoazul

 

[arch stanton]

Is anyone like me at the moment: when I've been out and I see a few people standing round and I hear laughter from them I want to pick up a half brick and throw it at them assuming them to be Kopites?

Or is it just me?

Dave, you are good people but there is no one like you, trust me.

 

[blulouie]

By reading the reports they gave us plenty of warnings and when dealing with them they kept saying we needed to comply with the rules.

We are 100% in the wrong.

Only thing we can do is appeal the punishment to get it reduced but also face the risk of them pumping it upto 12 points.

A breach in rules has been made , it has been proven and even admitted.
This is unquestionable.


What is questionable is the severity of the punishment.
It is totally unprecedented and seen as the authorities making an example of the club as a warning to other clubs that fall foul of the rules and not what should have been a straight forward less severe punishment.

Scapegoats R US.

 

[Efcjake]

Maybe, but there's been 4 good reasons why we couldn't account for that £19M overspend and anyone one of them would have brought us back into line had they been accepted - which is what any reasonable attempt to administer justice would done.

Absolutely agreed with you there Dave. The handwaving away of the Ukraine war and Player X's situation show it up for the kangaroo court it was.

I just don't think we can fairly say we were completely honest because we clearly weren't. We knew we were over and gambled on getting away with one of those mitigating factors and then tried our best to obscure the true extent we were over in the accounts.

 

[Yarrgh]

Biggest points deduction in top flight history. 1 for FFP charge.

Going to absolute mayhem when city and Chelsea don't get 115x the punishment

I would be taking the league to court at that point.

 

[Goat]

Absolutely agreed with you there Dave. The handwaving away of the Ukraine war and Player X's situation show it up for the kangaroo court it was.

I just don't think we can fairly say we were completely honest because we clearly weren't. We knew we were over and gambled on getting away with one of those mitigating factors and then tried our best to obscure the true extent we were over in the accounts.

I have to wonder whether we even bothered with legal advice?

Or did Moshiri just think he could sweet talk the commission with stories of museums and voodoo.

 

[blulouie]

Shocked but laughing up their sleeves.

Think this is way past the usual banter David , they are all proper footie fans not twitter no marks.

 

[Yarrgh]

People were screaming for Kenwright to get a stand named after him the other week

Kenwright will be lucky to get out of this as forgotten.

 

[davek]

A breach in rules has been made , it has been proven and even admitted.
This is unquestionable.


What is questionable is the severity of the punishment.
It is totally unprecedented and seen as the authorities making an example of the club as a warning to other clubs that fall foul of the rules and not what should have been a straight forward less severe punishment.

Scapegoats R US.

EVERYONE knows what the score is here: it was a politically driven decision to make Everton carry the can for the PL's decades of deregulation.

 

[kenada_blue]

From the judgement.

Everton acknowledged in the course of the
hearing that the PSR calculation included claims that were novel, some of
which were persisted with in Everton’s Answer but were subsequently
abandoned shortly before the hearing. We have already found Everton’s
conduct not to be in compliance with the obligation of utmost good faith
imposed by Rule B15.

and again.

The obligation to act in utmost good faith is high. As we have observed
above, at the initial stages of consideration of a PSR submission the Premier
League will be dependent on the accuracy of the information supplied by the
submitting club. In this case the information supplied by Everton was
materially inaccurate.

and again.

Further, Everton was
less than frank in its dealings with the Premier League over the stadium
interest issue.


The clowns in charge tried to blag it, inevitably got caught and the club and fans are paying the price of Moshir's mismanagement. The unbelievable bit is that whilst the auditors have walked away, DBB and Sharp are unwilling to give evidence probably after taking legal advice and Moshiri is desperately trying to sell up. We still have fans ignoring the evidence and looking to blame the Premier League and the commission. Lets face it Moshiri and the board are guilty of breathtaking mismanagement.


Again from the findings.


137. It helps to stand back from all the detail that has been put before us and to see
the overall picture. Everton’s PSR difficulties are not attributable to the costs
of the stadium development. Those costs were excluded from the PSR
calculation in respect of the period before planning permission was granted
by reason of the 13 August 2021 agreement, and thereafter by the ability to
capitalise relevant costs by the application of FRS 102. The cause of
Everton’s PSR difficulties was the fact that it overspent (largely on its
purchase of new players and its inability to sell other players), and because it
finished lower in the league than it had projected in FY 2022 (16th against the
projected 6th – causing a loss of expected income of c.£21 million).


We breached P&S because the clowns based our financial projections on finishing 6th. If we had budgeted for finishing 16th we would have passed P&S.

Few things...no one is defending Mosh. It's a [Poor language removed] show.

Yes. He blagged it. But within the rules to do so.

But we have not lied or been dishonest. We've stretched and pushed the limit of the rules (the 'good faith' they keep repeating).

If we'd have lied we'd be on a charge for falsifying accounts and not explaining over zealous calculations and what's acceptable.

We've not been dragged over hot coals for our COVID losses, been ripped to shreds about how outlandish they are. These are the points you keep making out to prove that we should be deducted 10 points

But that's not been the case. Everything they reviewed amounted to £19mill over the threshold. That's it.

And with that there's a case to appeal IMO. But your view is that we deserve the 10

 

[davek]

Absolutely agreed with you there Dave. The handwaving away of the Ukraine war and Player X's situation show it up for the kangaroo court it was.

I just don't think we can fairly say we were completely honest because we clearly weren't. We knew we were over and gambled on getting away with one of those mitigating factors and then tried our best to obscure the true extent we were over in the accounts.

Yes I agree. But what Ilm saying is that one triggers the other.

 

[davek]

Think this is way past the usual banter David , they are all proper footie fans not twitter no marks.

You're too trusting.

I know these people and I know they want to have their cake and to eat it too.