2023/24 Dele

[Tramps_mate]

Sleeping pills are allowed, and common.

As I've said, hundreds of top flight footballers have used nitrous oxide. Some of the biggest names in the game - I'm sure you wouldn't be calling the club to sack Mbappe when he was 'caught' with it. Would you say no to Sterling signing because of nitrous oxide? Or Grealish?

You're coming across as having an agenda against Dele and it needs to stop here, because your monopolising his thread and inferring nonsense.

I'd encourage you to;

Understand that trauma and addiction go hand in hand.

Understand success and money is more likely can exacerbate behaviour which seeks to cover trauma through addiction, than relieve.

Understand trauma and addition more, and in doing so you might develop some empathy on the subject.

I personally couldn't handle fame.

Imagine not being able to go for a loaf of bread with out getting stared at, asked for autographs, given grief, shouted at, physically assaulted, etc etc just because you play football! You have no life any more!!

 

[Marius57]

I’ve said his behaviours indicate someone who could be using substances and the current drug testing is not good enough.

If we were drug testing him, as I advocate for the club to have drug testing policy like many other businesses, then we may have found the sleeping pills and intervened a while ago.

If he is on hippy crack and sleeping pills is it a stretch for anything else? Crack head behaviours are pretty easy to spot. I mentioned the short life of cocaine in the system due to current testing procedures, and how it would be low risk for a footballer to take them.

If he we was / is having mental health issues but taking drugs we should still fire him.

We may well have known about the sleeping pills as they are routinely used with athletes. You don’t know anything about what the club does or doesn’t know.

And insinuating that he may be doing more based off pure conjecture is wrong. I know many people who use laughing gas (or hippy crack as you keep calling it), yet do not do anything more than that. Your views are baseless that he could be doing more unless you can share some research that show that doing laughing gas has probable correlation with other more hardcore drugs.

But I won’t hold my breath for that.

 

[dCahill17]

We may well have known about the sleeping pills as they are routinely used with athletes. You don’t know anything about what the club does or doesn’t know.

And insinuating that he may be doing more based off pure conjecture is wrong. I know many people who use laughing gas (or hippy crack as you keep calling it), yet do not do anything more than that. Your views are baseless that he could be doing more unless you can share some research that show that doing laughing gas has probable correlation with other more hardcore drugs.

But I won’t hold my breath for that.

Common signs and symptoms of addiction

The signs and symptoms of addictions can vary from person to person. However, there are several signs and symptoms that are common to most types of addiction.

www.priorygroup.com

Behavioural and social signs of addictions:​

• Secretive or dishonest behaviour
• Poor performance and/or attendance at work or school
• Withdrawing from responsibility and socialising
• Losing interest in activities, hobbies or events that were once important to you
• Continuing to use the substance, or engage in certain behaviours, despite the negative consequences that these cause
• Trying but failing to reduce or stop misusing a substance, or engaging in certain behaviours

You asked

 

[BNJ1878]

Where's he up to with his fitness?

He's 'fit' again and working individually with members of the coaching team.

The way Dyche was talking he expects Harrison back available for selection after the break and Dele soon after.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

• Secretive or dishonest behaviour
• Poor performance and/or attendance at work or school
• Withdrawing from responsibility and socialising
• Losing interest in activities, hobbies or events that were once important to you

Also all symptoms of significant trauma. Far moreso than of using Nitrous Oxide.

 

[Billy Dean]

Lots of player threads are just becoming unreadable these days

 

[Jacko93]

People keep calling me out what, so I answered.

And like I’ve said the best thing for Dele imo is him away from football. So in fact you could say I have his best interests at heart, as well as the clubs.

Wit the greatest respect, you have absolutely no idea whatsover as to what the best thing for him is, absolutey none at all.

 

[Jacko93]

Common signs and symptoms of addiction

The signs and symptoms of addictions can vary from person to person. However, there are several signs and symptoms that are common to most types of addiction.

www.priorygroup.com

Behavioural and social signs of addictions:​

• Secretive or dishonest behaviour
• Poor performance and/or attendance at work or school
• Withdrawing from responsibility and socialising
• Losing interest in activities, hobbies or events that were once important to you
• Continuing to use the substance, or engage in certain behaviours, despite the negative consequences that these cause
• Trying but failing to reduce or stop misusing a substance, or engaging in certain behaviours

You asked

He was addicted to sleeping pills you goon.

 

[Marius57]

Common signs and symptoms of addiction

The signs and symptoms of addictions can vary from person to person. However, there are several signs and symptoms that are common to most types of addiction.

www.priorygroup.com

Behavioural and social signs of addictions:​

• Secretive or dishonest behaviour
• Poor performance and/or attendance at work or school
• Withdrawing from responsibility and socialising
• Losing interest in activities, hobbies or events that were once important to you
• Continuing to use the substance, or engage in certain behaviours, despite the negative consequences that these cause
• Trying but failing to reduce or stop misusing a substance, or engaging in certain behaviours

You asked

That doesn’t show what I asked. Which was a correlation between using Nos and using more hardcore drugs which you keep trying to imply he does.

You have managed to find a link to signs of addiction. Well done. My response to the bullet points you posted is below.

• I’d argue he has been very honest about his situation, based off his interview.
• He has not been deemed fit enough to play matches, but he is clearly training a lot so is in regular attendance at his work place.
• He doesn’t appear withdrawn based off what we see.
• He now talks about how he has found his love of football again.
• Zero evidence he has continued to use any substance at this point other than one singular picture of him with a balloon in his mouth. And the fact he uses legally prescribed sleeping pills.
• Again, no idea if he has ever used any drugs again so the last point is also unprovable.

 

[chicoazul]

The New Arena would like to sponsor this thread please @GrandOldTeam.

 

[Shibbywiggles]

Let’s say we keep Dele he drags another team mate into the gutter

What are you on about? Is he going to go back in time and rape them as a child because that’s what Dele’s problem is, not having a few drinks and doing some stupid laughing gas that loads of others do anyway

What’s much more likely is he is integrated back into the group, starts training again and the young lads around him think ‘I’m playing with Dele - one of the best of the generation I used to watch on telly growing up, this is boss’ and raise their game

 

[Efcjake]

VDM - liked to get drunk and party instead of train (plus allegedly do illegal drugs). He has since come out and said he regrets not trying harder and effectively ruining his career.

Dele - was sexually, physically and mentally abused and got addicted to sleeping pills which he used to escape the anxiety and trauma which he’s working on recovering from. Also, he was pictured with a balloon in his mouth.

These are not the same.

Think it is also important to note that VDM was struggling to process having a very sick child in Alder Hey.

His mental health at the time of his issues wasn't good either.

 

[Goat]

This thread makes me very sad.

1 person ruining it with his backward views, sad to see.

 

[BlueStevie35]

This thread makes me very sad.

1 person ruining it with his backward views, sad to see.

2 people mate

 

[Goat]