When did it go wrong ?

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Lots to choose from but as my old fella says we've never been lucky have we - take your pick:

Being too stupid to not pay the rent increase in 1892
Champions twice - war breaks out
Tommy Lawton wanting to leave
Tommy Ring getting a broken leg
Drawing Inter Milan in the European Cup
Tony Kay
Panathinaikos getting away with murder & then having to play in the FA Cup semi 3 days later where:
Labby getting crocked against the Sh1te and we lose 2-1
Catterick falling out with Alan Ball
Catterick getting ill - the 60s side breaking up
John Connolly getting a broken leg (vs Altrincham) as we were cruising to the 1975 title
Chris Nicholl
Clive Sh1thouse Thomas
Extra-Extra-Extra-Extra Time at Old Trafford back in 1983
Hansen's handball
Whiteside's goal (against a very tired team)
Kendall's penchant for a drink (including losing Speed)
Dunc being sent to prison for something he did before he joined us
Poll
Villarreal draw for the CL
Clattenberg
Atkinson

You forgot Collina!
 

no one mentioning joe royal being forced to leave the club he loves by johnson? we've had some dips over the years but thats the big turning point i feel for my generation of blues (i was 13 when he went). we never got it back for years but by then we'd fell so far behind.

and collina the useless cnut.
 
Amateur leadership since 1987. Kendall laid the basis for a global club and the owners and executive officers made the wrong choices on just about everything from then on.

This. Specifically the then chairman Carter not making HK an offer to stay that he couldn't refuse. (And I don't mean the Godfather type!). At least then we might have had some continuity until the European ban ended, instead of going severely backwards from which we have never recovered.
 
The seeds were planted in 1994 with the building of the Park End.

For 15 years the stadium issue has dominated our problems off the the field.

If we correctly built the Park End then, then the only off the field issue would have been the land behind the Bullens Road.

No disillusionment and alienation starting over stadium moves, money being concentrated on one stand plus the squad.

Eloquent, to the point and polite. +Rep for you sir.
 

This. Specifically the then chairman Carter not making HK an offer to stay that he couldn't refuse. (And I don't mean the Godfather type!). At least then we might have had some continuity until the European ban ended, instead of going severely backwards from which we have never recovered.

Yup it staggered me back then and depresses me now bad leadership follow bad leadership but to let Howard go at the height of his powers was beyond stupid little wonder the club never recovered
 
Almost 20 years ago, a group of chairmen met with a questionable chap from Australia and decided it would be in the best interests of the national game to do this:

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That was the turning point. Not just for us. But for the Norwiches, the Sheffields, the Forests. That was when a monopoly was established and no team would ever be able to reach the top through good management and old fashioned grit, only greater and greater amounts of money. I'm not pretending we weren't the "mersey millionaires" at one time. But from that moment on, only successive increases of unprecedented sums would be enough.

Another very valid point but lets be fair we had our fat fingers in the muff at the premierships inception mainly becuase w ethought,mistakenly,we where a club with clout to match the (soon to be) big guns.
 
The development of Old Trafford
The Golden Generation
Not updating Goodison
Not having more faith in the youth we developed
Letting Johnson in
Very poor signings by either very poor managers or very tired and angst ridden manager.
A plethora of missed sponsorship deals.
 
1985 kings of Europe 1987 kings of England what was the turning point from Mersey millionaires to what we have become ? Peter Johnson ? Kenwright ? The premier league launch ? Trying to pin point when the slide started ?

The English clubs' European ban that led to the exudus: Howard Kendal, Gary Stevens, Trevor Steven et al who wanted to manage/play in Europe. I couldn't believe the insensitivity of that RS tw*t on talkSPORT this morning who said if it wasn't for the ban that lot would have been Euro champs more times than they have been! :@

On second thoughts I can believe the insenitivity. No sense no feeling. :dodgy:
 
no one mentioning joe royal being forced to leave the club he loves by johnson? we've had some dips over the years but thats the big turning point i feel for my generation of blues (i was 13 when he went). we never got it back for years but by then we'd fell so far behind.

and collina the useless cnut.

Yes, I forgot about that!
 

The Ban, full stop. We were Boss in the eighties, the players loved playing here and they loved the fans too which was reciprocated and appreciated by the players, any player who didn't play for us at that time most definately wanted to...apart from the RS..... the an hit us hard as our best players, understandably, wanted to play in Europe and at the time they were considered the best as they played for Everton,,,who were the best team. Had the Ban not happened we would have gone on and maybe,, not saying deffo, but maybe would have won the european cup ( when it was still a cup for champions only ) , success would have bred success and we would have been THE attraction for all the top players and it would have all followed on from there,,,,, so definately the Ban destroyed us as a dominant force in both foreign and domestic football.
 
People say we didnt spend when we got to cl but thats when we bought neville, davies and beattie. Plus we didnt have the money- that comes from group stages. If wed beaten villareal we would have had more to spend on top players. For me the european ban hit us hardest and gained man utd the most as they were nowhere but won cup when they could qualify again
 
Two modern howlers:

Getting into the Champions League and deciding it was time to buy Per Kroldrup, Simon Davies and Andy Van Der Meyde.

The FA Cup Final, had we won it would Lescott have stayed? Regardless of how much we got for him (which was again spent badly) it took us a long time to get over him.
 

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