2022/23 Frank Lampard

[Gilbert..]

I think they are poor but they are also badly coached. A quality manager could get them playing above the level they are right now then cull the crap. Incredibly this summer we decided to add to the dross.

We will have tp get very very lucky with an unknown manager who turns out to be really good.
Nobody other than those who are out of work like dyche or martinez would touch this job.

 

[PhilEFC]

I think the key problem is the ownership and I’d focus on that rather than the likes of Graeme Sharp - I don’t think he’s a key part of the problem. Or Grant Ingles

Some fans don’t seem to have any resilience or perspective - football is so much about confidence and the fans help create fear at times in the players and staff, when actually support would help their confidence more. Some fans don’t seem to have the resilience to remain positive through difficult runs

The fans pay a fortune to at least expect the players to have a go and they support the players, but criticise them to which is what every clubs fans do, not just ours.

But this isn’t just a difficult run, it’s been going on for years! It grinds you down watching mercenaries walking round the pitch not interested in a club you invest a lot more than just money in.

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

Any fan who sits there watching that team and dosnt sense the danger we are in is truly deluded.
What do you want them to do shout come on lads after getting ragged all over the show yet again.
The fans have every right to have a go at the players .
They aren't cheer leaders , there to add a bit of colour and noise, to please the cameras and pump the players ego.
The fans can't kick a ball, can't set the team up , they know when they are being kidded by this club .
The only thing remotely decent are Everton are the fans .
There has been to many happy clappy fan's at Goodison for years, letting the standards drop
While applauding failures.
The board should have been hounded out years a go.
This narrative that is getting spun that the fans are the problem , gives people that are not doing there job very well an easy excuse to hide behind.

It’s how they deal with the sense of danger

If they create negativity as a result, it clearly doesn’t help the club - it makes the job more difficult for those at the sharp end

 

[Brennan]

Any fan who sits there watching that team and dosnt sense the danger we are in is truly deluded.
What do you want them to do shout come on lads after getting ragged all over the show yet again.
The fans have every right to have a go at the players .
They aren't cheer leaders , there to add a bit of colour and noise, to please the cameras and pump the players ego.
The fans can't kick a ball, can't set the team up , they know when they are being kidded by this club .
The only thing remotely decent are Everton are the fans .
There has been to many happy clappy fan's at Goodison for years, letting the standards drop
While applauding failures.
The board should have been hounded out years a go.

The atmosphere at games like Wolves is way worse and more hostile to our own players than under tough times with Moyes when we were in the wrong half of the table.

You can argue chicken and egg and if we were better the fans would respond but one thing is certain, being booed and having abuse shouted at you doesn’t help anybody perform their job better. Simple psychology.

Some of the abuse people in the Gladwys shout at our own players makes me cringe.

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

The fans pay a fortune to at least expect the players to have a go and they support the players, but criticise them to which is what every clubs fans do, not just ours.

But this isn’t just a difficult run, it’s been going on for years! It grinds you down watching mercenaries walking round the pitch not interested in a club you invest a lot more than just money in.

I think this is extreme to call the players mercenaries - and highlights the issue we have re lack of understanding and empathy

I agree the problems are long running - relating to ownership and some (but obviously far from all) fans

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Any fan who sits there watching that team and dosnt sense the danger we are in is truly deluded.
What do you want them to do shout come on lads after getting ragged all over the show yet again.
The fans have every right to have a go at the players .
They aren't cheer leaders , there to add a bit of colour and noise, to please the cameras and pump the players ego.
The fans can't kick a ball, can't set the team up , they know when they are being kidded by this club .
The only thing remotely decent are Everton are the fans .
There has been to many happy clappy fan's at Goodison for years, letting the standards drop
While applauding failures.
The board should have been hounded out years a go.
This narrative that is getting spun that the fans are the problem , gives people that are not doing there job very well an easy excuse to hide behind.

You're contradicting yourself. One minute saying the only thing decent about the club is the fans and then the next calling them happy clappers.

The fans are never to blame.

 

[Jcr1878]

Reverting back to a 4 after an impressive defensive performance vs City sums Lampard up, him and his supposedly great staff don’t have a clue

 

[Groucho]

Bore off .

Argue the point, not the person, keep it civil.

 

[malmic]

Despite the Board's shortcomings, Lampard still fully deserves the sack
He should have never managed us in the first place
Please stop the nonsense that he saved us last year, he nearly took us down
He is as bad as Mike Walker and if left in charge will be the worst in Everton's history

 

[Johnniepk]

Seeing Dacoure come on last night after his mid week training exertions speaks volumes for the squad attitude and respect for the management team. He should be nowhere near the bench and be on " jankers"
We watched the coaching just before the 2nd half and the players in the circle couldnt or wouldnt do what the coach was asking. All half hearted.

 

[edge]

After the Patterson horror show and even before the first Brighton goal any idiot could see what was coming. Somebody has to tell him that you can make tactical changes during the first minutes of the game!

I put on here during the game they were targeting the space between the midfield and fullbacks, both of them .
Patterson was playing narrow, the player for the first goal was just standing in the space as McNeil had gone forward .
It's schoolboy stuff , not to see and react to it was criminal.
Lampard has been outthought by nearly every coach he has come up against , has a way of playing and can't see passed it

 

[Thomasc]

After the Patterson horror show and even before the first Brighton goal any idiot could see what was coming. Somebody has to tell him that you can make tactical changes during the first minutes of the game!

This for me.

Last night proved once and for all that he doesn’t really have a clue tactically and will just stand there with his arms folded watching the horror unfold, without making any effort to change it.

To send out the same players in exactly the same formation for the second half after being made to look garbage for 40 minutes was unforgivable.

 

[Drico]

Whatever the Board's shortconings are, Lampard still fully deserves the sack
He should have never managed us in the first place
Please stop the nonsense that he saved us last year, he nearly took us down
He is as bad as Mike Walker and if left in charge will be the worst in Everton's history

He has lots in common with Walker. Both "kept us up" in their first season...

To be fair to Walker, at least he'd actually achieved something in the game by building that excellent Norwich side.

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

It is not the fans who should show resilience, but the coaches and players. This separates the best from those who are not good enough. Resilience is not only about tolerating stress, etc., but also about learning. From this perspective, it can be argued that the fans have been too loyal for a long time, and the only way to move forward is to replace the decision makers. This is learning. Because the decision-makers make repeated mistakes, along with the manager, which go beyond the well-being of the fans.

It can also be argued that in crises you need clear information and a clear plan. This is completely absent. And aren't the fans what keep this merry-go-round alive, and weren't they the ones who really helped Everton through a tough time last year?

I agree re the clear plan but it’s extreme isn’t it to say that any plan is ‘completely absent’. That clearly isn’t the case but this is to top end of football and it’s difficult

The fans helped at the end of last season yes but also helped create the situation due to the Benitez negativity, because he’s managed Liverpool. This is a really key point I think as it highlights the fan impact I’m talking about

I agree re the learning and surely that has to be that sacking manager after manager can’t be the answer

 

[Thomasc]

I agree re the clear plan but it’s extreme isn’t it to say that any plan is ‘completely absent’. That clearly isn’t the case but this is to top end of football and it’s difficult

The fans helped at the end of last season yes but also helped create the situation due to the Benitez negativity, because he’s managed Liverpool. This is a really key point I think as it highlights the fan impact I’m talking about

I agree re the learning and surely that has to be that sacking manager after manager can’t be the answer

Obsessed with the fans a bit aren’t you?