We need money, not a new manager.

[bluemeanie]

I was going to make a similar point before my connection went tits up. If you asked any knowledgeable person in the game this question- 'what would happen if you starved a Premier League club of funds?'- I'm sure they would predict the scenario that faces us at the moment. Moyes' tactics are bewildering at times agreed- and what makes today worse is the knowledge Yak scored four for somebody else yesterday- but the bottom line is the club is financially up s**t creek.

 

[kenada_blue]

'Well the thing is, Swansea spent money in the transfer window' - Moyes after we lose to Swans at home.

Yeah, dyer, Sinclair, gower and alan are like playing against xavi, inesta and messi

 

[kenada_blue]

Don't understand the first line. Look, you can't really point to Moyes' transfer record as a weak point in his management. I could go into detail on that but I cba. And we will finish above Swansea whether we play worse football than them or not.

You made the point we paid little for those 60mill talent we field every week, my point is we play like a pub team. Nothing to do with moyes sense of buying players, but more down to how he uses them.

Yes, we may finish above Swansea. But theyre just been promoted.

Were meant to have the better talent but it doesn't look that way every week. Now that's either the players not being as good as we think they are, or moyes.
Best squad he's ever had last season. Don't forget that.

 

[Dom1878]

We need a new manager, our football hasnt changed one bit, he has his favourite players and no one would ever get in the team because of it.

People look at our youngsters and think Moyes does a great job introducing them into the first team, but in actual fact, they only play when there are injuries. Rodwell only starts regularly because we have Arteta, and Barkley despite the claims from players in the squad of him being the most skillful player they have played with, and despite his great start to the season barely gets 2 minutes on the pitch.

He plays the same formation, and the reason why we hoof the ball, try to play down the wings and never shoot outside the box - do you think thats because of the players? No its what Moyes tells them to. Yes it did work, when we had Cahill in his prime, and a quality striker upfront, but teams just know how to stop us now, we have no answer short of getting lucky, and thats what all our victories this year have been to be perfectly honest, lucky.

And i havnt even started on the substitutions, ive never seen someone who has lacked so much ambition, he's quite happy to say when the team didnt impress him, but ive rarely seen him say ok, that was my fault, i shouldnt have made such an idiotic substitution.

And onto the money, would i trust Moyes with it? NO! Other than Fellaini its hard to think of a big buy that Moyes hasnt ruined or not made the most of - thanks to his boring formation. I mean seriously, who? Big buys at Everton...started with Beattie, Johnson, Yakubu, Fellaini, Bily

Beattie left because Moyes insisted on the same formation when Johnson came in, Johnson left because Yak came in. Moyes just cant make the most of the players ability because he never plays to their strengths.

So with money, is this manager good enough? No, without, well thats a different story, he is good when it comes to buying cheap, but sadly, im bored, and its because of Moyes. If he changed SOMETHING then theres hope, but he doesnt, if you could bet on the line up of the Everton team every week, id never lose!

 

[Khalekan]

We need money and a new manager.

If I was a billionaire buying EFC I wouldn't be letting Moyes loose with my chequebook.

 

[Elong]

Just a comment on the "Moyes adapting". Why shouldn't he?

He is the coach, he therefore coaches the players to play in a particular style. They are paid professionals, the best in their profession, they should be able to adapt with new tactics and styles as they have the base talent and skill. Moyes is the man who points them in the direction they take.

Moyes should have the ability to get the team playing a different game, the squad is certainly talented enough. Bet Jags doesn't hoof it 50% of the time he gets it for England, and don't tell me it's because there's lack of options in Everton's midfield, for England he's passing it to Gareth Barry ffs!

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

I wouldn't want to be the manager or player to take Everton down...and that's exactly how we're playing at times. Nobody wants to take that risk and change things up for fear of consequence if it goes balls up.

 

[pfim]

Changing the manager isn't going to change the talent and skill of the players. Whether it's possible or not, the squad badly needs improved in January.

 

[Brennan]

Changing the manager isn't going to change the talent and skill of the players. Whether it's possible or not, the squad badly needs improved in January.

This has been addressed time and time again. Swansea and Norwich play better football than us most of the time, even though their players are of a far lower individual skill level.

 

[pfim]

This has been addressed time and time again. Swansea and Norwich play better football than us most of the time, even though their players are of a far lower individual skill level.

And what has that gotten them? Norwich has allowed 26 goals and Swansea has scored less than Everton.

We will continue to rely on flank play until there is more skill and ability in the center of the park.

 

[Elong]

And what has that gotten them? Norwich has allowed 26 goals and Swansea has scored less than Everton.

We will continue to rely on flank play until there is more skill and ability in the center of the park.

And Blackpool went down last season playing some lovely stuff.

However....our squad has more talent, more ability, better fitness, and supposedly a better manager, we should be able to play better football and maintain it throughout the season with better results than championship teams, because the players are technically better.

 

[Axlswhk]

Yes to the thread title.

We've been playing exactly the same way for the past 4 seasons. Slow build up, killing our momentum when there's a great opportunity to counter attack and catch defenders off guard. When we're deliberately holding up plays to allow our wingers time to get into attacking position, we eventually find ourselves no space to create anything.
When we finally manage to pump in crosses, it's always high and long. We rarely tried drag back or low powerful cross which are definitely more difficult to defend.

We had the same problem when arteta was playing for us. So there's no excuse IMO. It's definitely our style of play that needs change.

If anyone is still not convince, try looking up videos of our goals for the past 3 season and compare them with the previous 3. You will see a vast difference in the way we attack. There used to be more variation and sadly we don't see that anymore, and I've been struggling to come out with an explanation why Moyes is so persistent our current approach .

 

[harry]

No. We wait for players signed for £200k to become world class strikers, wingers and right backs.

Yes mate but thats the point. don't look at what we have spent but the players we have. we have a very talented squad (even after selling all our strikers). the majority of our squad are more than capable of playing football except a few. saddly he plays the few and plays tactics that negates all our footballers from playing as they can. The way we play is all down to moyes and his coaching staff not kenwright and his money. (i still want kenwright out with moyes though)

 

[daz4matty]

We are in this mess because of kenrite and the useless board and that performance yesterday showed where we are right now.
Selling beckford,yak and arteta before the window shut was suicidal.
With saha always injured what strikers have we got.
The kenrite luvvies need to have a proper look at what he is doing to our club and take them rose tinteds off.

 

[Christiffa25]

Ok, my theory on moyes..

Firstly we have played different styles under moyes. When we had pienaar, Arteta and Donovan in our midfield we were playing some ofthe nicest football I've seen us play. Problem back then we needed a top striker. That was the missing piece but he had no money to buy one.

Since then we have lost those 3 players. It does make a massive difference and we still don't have that striker!

As moyes did when he first arrived he has a default way of tactics and playing to get results or enough points for safety and he reverts to this in times of need. That is what I believe he is doing at the moment. It may not be pretty we will lose but will win enough to be fine.

Unfortunately for him and us the heart of his team has been ripped out of the side over the last few years. And he is in defense default mode until he can bring in people that give him confidence to play a different way.

Other managers default modes may be different but we have a very good manager who deserves alot of credit for what he puts up with and most deffinately deserves the chance to rebuild a new team. People are just gonna have to accept this season as a write off/ transitional season (praying he gets some money)