Rapid-Transit Rail Guarantees Success for EFC, LFC and Arena

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Joined up thinking can give Everton FC, Liverpool FC, Kings Dock
Arena and the community a new Merseyrail Metro line.


Rapid-transit can move over 40,000 people per hour, maximising
stadia and line investment.

The City of Liverpool has Rapid-Transit Rail Lines Awaiting Football
Clubs, Arena and the Community.

Not to use the available Merseyrail
Metro Rapid-Transit for Three Stadia is Irresponsible.


Rapid-transit rail has ensured that Arsenal FC have filled their new
stadium to over 97% of capacity since 2006.
Ideal Opportunity To Combine All Parties.

The city will never see such an opportunity again. Questions beg. How often:
  • Do two large football clubs build stadia at the same time?
  • Does the city propose a city-wide electric transit system - trams
    but Merseyrail is superior?
  • Does the city regenerate so quickly?
  • Does the government electrify rail lines - the City Line from
    Liverpool to Wigan, and the Canada Dock Branch Line?
The opportunity must not be lost to combine all parties for the
greater good of the football clubs and the community to create
economic growth. A newly opened rapid-transit rail line on the
Merseyrail metro opened to passengers may serve:
  • Many districts in the city
  • Wider Merseyside
  • Everton FC
  • Liverpool FC
  • Kings Dock Arena
  • The city has to get it right as these stadia will be around for 100
    years or more. Do it wrong and two white elephants may emerge. All
    the ingredients are there to guarantee success all around.
Football Clubs are Key in Opening a Viable Line

The viability to open lines to passengers is that the two large
football clubs can attract approximately four million passenger trips
per year for football traffic alone. Usage by the Community and
further events at the stadia will further increase passenger trips.

Nuisance Value Reduced - Eco Enhanced

The nusisance value of stadia is vastly reduced moving most fans by
rapid transit.

Pollution is vastly reduced with millions of vehicles journey's taken off
the roads over year. Collectively over a year the CO2 reduction is highly
significant, if rapid-transit served Everton FC, Liverpool FC, the Kings
Dock Arena and Greater Liverpool.

Walk-Up Fans are Financially Significant

The walk-up fans, non-season ticket holder fans, who walk up on the
day are a significant percentage of football match attendances. These
maybe fans who do not attend all matches in a season and decide on
the day to attend. This maybe a father and his young boy.

Catering for this financially significant number of fans makes financial
sense to a football club. Giving easy access for walk-ups to access the
stadium using rapid-transit rail increases the liklihood of a walk-up fan
to attend a football match. These fans would increase revenue on the
rapid-transit metro adding to its viability.

Available Rapid-Transit Lines

The are two available lines that can be easily used and merged into
Merseyrail:
  • The Outer Loop Line - this line is mothballed.
  • The Bootle Branch Line (Canad Dock Branch Line) -
    this currently is a used freight only line.
Outer Loop Line Serving Three Stadia

The mothballed Outer Loop Line can form a total loop of the city
when connected to the Merseyrail Northern line at Hunts Cross in the
south of the city and branched into the Kirkby branch of the
Northern line in the north end of the city. The Loop Line can serve
Everton FC, Liverpool FC and the Kings Dock Arena by
recommissioning St. James station at Parliament Street.

Below: The 1975 Merseyrail plan which was never finished - Outer Loop line is from Hunts Cross to Aintree.
Merseyrail-07.jpg


Having both stadia on the line gives superb connectivity to mainline
stations and two routes into the city centre with interchange
connections to other lines. An advantage is that if there is a hold up
on the line, trains can still be used around the loop.

Below: The Outer Loop line is in red. The Northern Line is green
dotted. The light blue line is the soon to be electrified City Line into
Lime Street mainline station. Liverpool South Parkway is the light
blue star and the red and blue star Walton Hall Park.
FullOuterLoopLine.jpg


Available Stadia Sites on the Outer Loop Line

1. Long Lane

This site was suggested by the city council to both football clubs.
The site is in the north end of the city near to where the Outer Loop
branches into the Kirkby branch of the Northern Line.

2. Walton Hall Park

This site is on the eastern side of Walton Hall Park, not far from the
existing homes of Everton FC and Liverpool FC. Unlike Stanley Park,
the park is not listed. Sainsbury's produced a proposal for a stadium on
this site in order to partner with Everton FC.

Districts Served by the Outer Loop Line

The Outer Loop Line serves:
  • Halewood
  • Woolton
  • Gateacre
  • Childwall
  • Broad Green
  • Knotty Ash
  • West Derby
  • Norris Green
  • Walton
Many city districts are served by the Outer Loop. Bringing these
districts onto the Merseyrail metro will create economic growth and
encourage investment.

Canada Dock Branch Line - Bootle branch Line

This line is a freight only line running from Edge Hill to Bootle. The
line is earmarked for electrification. The line runs not far from the
proposed Liverpool FC stadium at Anfield. Liverpool City Council have
requested Everton FC to assess the Green Lane/Prescot Road site
marked at the bottom right of the map.

The Line can serve both clubs and a number of districts. As track is
already on the line, conversion to passenger usage promises to be
cost effective. Interchanges with Merseyrail are at Bootle Oriel Road
and Lime Street. The line runs under the Merseyrail Northern Line
station at Kirkdale station with no platforms in place. Installing
platforms at this key interchange station is not a great undertaking.

The line has potential to run from:
  • Southport to St. Helens
  • Southport to Lime Street
  • Southport to Liverpool South Parkway
Districts Served by the Canada Docks Branch Line
  • City centre
  • Edge Hill
  • Old Swan
  • Tubrook
  • Clubmoor
  • Anfield
  • Walton
  • Bootle
Below: The Canada Dock Branch Line. The Green and white rectangle
at the bottom right is a proposed stadium site at Green
Lane/Prescot Road. The three red and white circles are the three
proposed station sites for Liverpool FC's new stadium.
Canada-Dock-Branch-2.jpg


Arsenal FC Success Using Rapid-Transit Rail

Arsenal FC's Emirates stadium has six surrounding rapid-transit
railway stations. The whole 60,000 can be shifted quite quickly by
using rapid-transit rail. The key point to the success of the stadium,
which since 2006 has been at over 97% full, is the ease of access
served by the rapid-transit rail stations. The six stations immediately
surrounding the Emirates stadium provide a total of 27 platforms,
with 29 on weekdays.

The success of Arsenal FC, a club the size of Everton FC when at
their old Highbury ground with a ground very similar to Everton's
Goodison Park and similar sized fanbase focuses the mind to the key
of a successful stadium.

The Emirates stadium's site was selected because of the adjacent rail
lines. £7.6 million had been set aside by the planning permission for
upgrading adjacent Drayton Park and Holloway Road rapid-transit rail
stations. However, Transport for London decided not to upgrade
either station, in favour of improvement works at the interchanges at
the nearby Highbury & Islington and Finsbury Park stations, both of
which are served by London Underground lines and First Capital
Connect services.

emirates-2.jpg


The stadium generates high revenues due to the superior facilities
of: refreshments, cafes, bars, etc, supported by the rapid-transit rail
access. With fans arriving mainly by rapid-transit rail, there is minimal
nuisance to the surrounding residents. Many thousands of car
journey's are kept off the roads of London per year.

Arsenal FC Eliminated a Business Partner

The availability of rapid-transit rail around the stadium site enabled
Arsenal FC to build the stadium alone without a major business
partner. The projected high attendances enabled the club to repay
the loans without a partner.

This would mean Everton FC could dispense with Tesco as a business partner.

Once a business plan is put forward, with projections, financiers
would be in a position to lend. Premier League football has not
shown a decline since the Credit Crunch. Far from it. If anything it is
a surefire winner financing a large Premiership club in infrastructure.

To a financier, the club does not need to win silver trophies, just
compete at the top and earn enough to pay back the loans. The
longevity of top Premier football clubs ensures the business is
unlikely to fold with repayment assured in the long term.

Below: Arsenal FC's Emirates Stadium is surrounded by six rapid-transit rail stations:
Emirates.jpg


Wembley Park Moves 37,500 With Four Platforms

Wembley-Park-Station.jpg


With 27 platforms in the stations surrounding the Emirates stadium
success of the stadium is guaranteed. Wembley Park station with
only four platforms can move over 37,5000 people per hour.

Having Everton FC and Liverpool FC on the same rapid-transit rail
line with only 4 platform stations adjacent to their stadia will ensure
over half of the stadia capacity is moved by rapid-transit rail. Six
platforms raises the throughput to 50,000 per hour. Building
modern multi-platform stations is cost effective using pre-cast
concrete forms as the construction method.

Melbourne's Rapid-Transit Copes With Multi Events

In Melbourne, Australia, the city's sports stadia, MCG, AAMI Stadium,
Rod Laver Arena, HiSense Arena, Olympic Park and Etihad Stadium
are all well serviced by the City Loop rail line. This line circles the city
centre stopping at all key points intersecting radial lines for ease of
interchanging.

The rapid-transit network can cope with two major sports events
being staged simultaneously in the city. A rugby league game at
AAMI Park with 30,000 supporters attending and Australian Rules
events at the MCG also with a 30,000-plus crowd is common. Arrival
and dispersal to and from the stadia is efficient. Trains leave every
couple of minutes to all points on the City Loop with trams and taxis
servicing the local districts from the stations.

Proposed Liverpool FC Stadium too Small

StanleyParkStadium.jpg


Liverpool FC controversially obtained planning permission to build a
60,000 seater stadium on the listed Stanley Park next to their
current stadium at Anfield Road. The district is predominately
residential being largely unsuitable for a stadium. The club has the
proposal on hold considering a stadium with a larger 73,000
capacity. Liverpool FC cannot extend over 60,000 capacity unless a
rapid-transit rail station is built on the adjacent freight only Canada
Dock Branch Line. The available station sites are not spacious and
may require compulsory purchase orders to build a suitable four to
six platform high throughput station.

This is an ideal opportunity for Liverpool FC to combine with the city
council, Merseytravel, Everton FC and other bodies to assess
reopening the Outer Loop line. A number of suitable stadium sites
are available on the line for both clubs.

A Cost Effective Plan

When all points are assessed the plan to open a rapid-transit rail line
gives high value:
  • The plan does not require a bottomless pit of money. The two
    clubs are building stadia - both at the same time.
  • This is the perfect time to co-ordinate services.
  • The clubs have to find money no matter where they build stadia.
  • The city has two suitable lines for passengers.
  • The city needs regenerating - rapid-transit rail heavily assists.
  • Rapid-transit creates economic growth.
  • The two clubs provide kudos for the city
  • The rapid-transit metro gives kudos and promotes the city -
    attracting investors.
  • Public money from many bodies can be obtained to assist in
    funding to aid regeneration of the city.

Reusing the Wapping Tunnel

In time the Canada Dock Branch Line may extend into the city centre
at Central station. The reuse of the 1829 Wapping Tunnel with some
short branch tunnelling, would take the line from Edge Hill into
Central station, fully merging with the Merseyrail metro.

The Wapping Tunnel's portal is at King Dock opposite the Arena,
serving a well attended 10,000 seater venue.

The line could extend to Wirral using the tunnel. This would ensure
football fans in the Wirral would have direct access to the football
stadia and fans access the city centre without a change. The greater
Liverpool community would also greatly benefit if these lines were in
place.

Below: The 1975 plan to have metro trains from Edge Hill to access
Liverpool Central station.
Wapping-Central-1970s.jpg
 
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crumbs....do you work for the council or are you doing a thesis ?

It was clear really.

A newly opened rapid-transit rail line on the
Merseyrail metro opened to passengers may serve:
  • Many districts in the city
  • Wider Merseyside
  • Everton FC
  • Liverpool FC
  • Kings Dock Arena

By recommissioning one rapid-transit metro line, Everton FC maximize the potential revenues for the stadium.

From the city's view having the lines serves EFC, LFC and the Arena kills many birds with one stone. Opening the line for the community is viewed as not viable, but the enabler is EFC, LFC, and the Arena. Opening the line just for one football club, HMG will not do, as it increases the profits of one mutli-million pound company. When all are on one line the matter is differently and HMG and Dept for Transport view the matter differently and will open the koffers.

Everton need to be on rapid-transit line for obvious reasons - look at the amazing success at Arsenal.

Liverpool has a rapid-transit metro - not to use it shift large volumes of people is utterly foolish/

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To the admin:
This KEIOC/GFE, Sharpys top lip one , is out to destroy a thread. It is the same on all other forums. They just throw insults and abuse unable to debate - as they always get thrashed. Will you delete his silly posts?
 
To much time on your hands inner city ,Get a Girlfriend

You are a GFE/KEIOC fan? The KEOIC are the GFE morphed. If you have something sensible to contribute please do.

Their tactic is to bully and insult. On EFC forums they turn out in force and just close down threads by throwing abuse. The KEIOC forum ban people against their views.

This forum should not go the same way and tolerate such tactics.

The KEIOC are the old GFE. The biggest bunch of naive uneducated people I have come across. They have no idea how the Premier League is going. They could not understand that if EFC stay at GP with tarted up stands, Everton will just decline, as all others are moving the other way. The club motto says we move.

I found many of the GFE/KEIOC from the north end of Liverpool thinking EFC was "their" club, and EFC must stay in the north-end. This is tripe of course. Everton are a world club in reputation now. Facts such as that 1/3 of EFC season ticket holders have Wirral post codes goes over their heads.

If Everton get relegated because of inaction on the stadium front and Tranmere rise (they got to the play-offs once), the young Wirral kids will turn to Rovers. A generation later and EFC will be firmly a 2nd to 3rd rate club - a has been. A whole sector of fans will have disappeared. Wirral BC want the Wirral to be a city with the centre at the new Wirral Waters - it has a population of over 330,000 and can support a Premier club. Everton will suffer greatly.

Rapid-transit rail ensures the Wirral fans (and others in Cheshire and Lanacashire) get to EFC easily and in comfort. That will solidify the fanbase.
 
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Good post, well thought out - but the theory behind the council helping EFC to move is a novel one.
 
Good post, well thought out - but the theory behind the council helping EFC to move is a novel one.

Not novel at all. The council have suggested many sites for Everton, the most recent Green Land/Prescot Rd, they even gave EFC Kings Dock on a plate. Thank God that collapsed - a footy stadium would have ruined the whole area.

The council are just one player. EFC, LFC, Arena, city council, Knowsley Council (the Outer Loop line runs through a part of Knowsley), Merseytravel, Dept for Transport, Merseyside Civic Society, etc. Private companies would also be for it as they would gain. The airport, Peel, and any company on or near the line. Also companies in the centre as it brings in workers quick and a greater spread of them.
 

Not novel at all. The council have suggested many sites for Everton, the most recent Green Land/Prescot Rd, they even gave EFC Kings Dock on a plate. Thank God that collapsed - a footy stadium would have ruined the whole area.

The council are just one player. EFC, LFC, Arena, city council, Knowsley Council (the Outer Loop line runs through a part of Knowsley), Merseytravel, Dept for Transport, Merseyside Civic Society, etc. Private companies would also be for it as they would gain. The airport, Peel, and any company on or near the line. Also companies in the centre as it brings in workers quick and a greater spread of them.

Well Joe Anderson was a well known advocate of KEIOC, which i understand even had a meeting with Albert Gubay about moving to Edge Lane. Not wishing to argue here - but if the Council are so behind EFC, why are they moving us to Edge Lane ( or at least trying ). I even remember Joe banging on about extending Goodison.

And..isn't Joe the new Council leader? i don't see how a Club can fit itnto the city centre now its basically commercial area, a lot of other grounds are far from commercial areas. Old Trafford, Emirates, etc.
 
Well Joe Anderson was a well known advocate of KEIOC, which i understand even had a meeting with Albert Gubay about moving to Edge Lane. Not wishing to argue here - but if the Council are so behind EFC, why are they moving us to Edge Lane ( or at least trying ). I even remember Joe banging on about extending Goodison.

And..isn't Joe the new Council leader? i don't see how a Club can fit itnto the city centre now its basically commercial area, a lot of other grounds are far from commercial areas. Old Trafford, Emirates, etc.

Edge Lane is on the Canada Dock Branch line - Joe is on the right lines here, but the Outer Loop Line,forming a city-wide loop, with EFC and LFC on it, is a far better line - it even runs to the Airport and Arena. Joe wants quick results to make him look good (he is a politician), even if in the medium to long term they are not what we the people of Liverpool need.

Once built, these two stadia are there for 150 years. It must be right in the first instance - right for the clubs and the city. Once done it can't be reversed. The Outer Loop Line is mothballed with bridges still intact. It can form a full loop of the city serving the centre, Arena and both clubs a well as the airport. It is ideal, the natural choice. LFC should be discouraged from building in Stanley Park and directed to a superior site on the Outer Loop. Both clubs need a tempter to draw them in.

OuterLoopBridge.jpg

The mothballed Outer Loop with intact bridges
 
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The GFE initially commissioned architect Trevor Skempton to see if a stadium could be built on the existing footprint.

I did work in Munich for BMW and was impressed with the Olympic stadium in the park - I walked past it every day to the large station. The ground staff would give me a lift to the station in their min-bus if they saw me passing as they got used to seeing me. The open aspect was wonderful with beer tents being erected on match days. There would be no Hillsborough disasters there. No terraced streets to hem in fans.

As a kid I near collapsed in Goodison Rd "before" a game the crowd was packed in so tight. The same can occur in Gwladys St - If a fire broke out in one of the terraced houses as the crowd was leaving the ground - there would be mass panic and people being trampled for sure. The fire brigade would be hampered attending the fire.

Anfield and Walton are purely residential apart from two large stadia. The infrastructure is creaking right now, never mind two expanded 60,000 plus stadia being there. The districts do not portray a positive image for the city - the city has a world-wide reputation for football. We must put our best foot forward - something the city does not understand most of the time.

With a football Quarter Stanley Park would be obliterated as we know the Victorian layout to be. Once again without a rapid-transit rail station directly to the Quarter, it will be nuisance with its full potential not realised. I suppose cut and cover tunnelling could be used up Utting Ave to the park from the Bootle Branch Line - but it would be a terminus station and only used substantially on match days. It would very expensive to build.

Everton's Finch Farm training ground was on greenbelt land. A stadium extension to the training ground is not going to do that much to it with transport connections ideal there. The greater good of Greater Liverpool is priority.

The Policy Exchange got it right regarding the Green Belt - ignore it, as it has failed to do what it intended. They were intended to be narrow and primarily used for recreation by the inhabitants of the towns and cities they surrounded. Recreational uses disappeared and the greenbelts became green barriers to keep large numbers of urban inhabitants from mixing with a very small number of rural residents. They ramp up land and house prices. Instead of being a sports jacket they ended up a straight jacket. I like their document
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/watercity/Unaffordable_Housing.pdf

Arsenal, despite 15 years of success at the top, never had £300 million to spare, however saw what would attract fans - a top quality stadium with top facilities and getting fans to and from the stadium fast and in comfort. Their profits are phenomenal rising from around £37m when at Highbury to £100m on top of that. Premier League football has not shown a significant decline since the Credit Crunch. Far from it. If anything it is a sure-fire winner financing a large Premiership club in infrastructure. To a financier, the club does not need to win silver trophies, just compete at the top and earn enough to pay back the loans. The longevity of top Premier football clubs ensures the business is unlikely to fold with repayment assured in the long term. Even if relegated a top club can still repay loans - look at Newcastle United.

Note that Milton Keynes Dons built an international class stadium when in administration. Getting money is not an issue if the plan is there. Getting hold of finance is not a major problem if a proposal is presented with all the essential ingredients.
 
It's an interesting thought that the Rail link might connect to areas of the city that most need improved transport links - as a side issue one that might improve transport to the football grounds.
 
It's an interesting thought that the Rail link might connect to areas of the city that most need improved transport links - as a side issue one that might improve transport to the football grounds.

That is the angle. Public money will not be spent on the rail/metro line for one football club. Despite having 27 platforms around the Emirates, Arsenal had to contribute £7.5m to improve the rail.

But if this line serves:
  • EFC,
  • LFC,
  • reducing the impact of football clubs on the city - which is great,
  • the Arena,
  • the city centre,
  • the airport
  • disconnected districts,
  • the eco aspects of removing many millions of car journey's from the city's roads,
The powers that be look at matters in a different light. They they will want a minimal contribution from the club's and maybe be Peel for improved airport access.

It is the economic growth that attracts Whitehall. The line with approx 4 million trips for football per year will be self financing. Then other trips on top will add to the attraction.
 
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