Martinez Sentiment Poll: In or Out

Martinez

  • In

    Votes: 504 46.4%
  • Out

    Votes: 583 53.6%

  • Total voters
    1,087
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This post got me thinking, so I checked out last seasons results. At this stage of the season, after 29 games, we had 54 points.

That total this season would have is level on points with Liverpool, who are currently sitting in 5th position.
.... only 4 points behind 2nd placed City who seem to be stuttering. Its interesting and rather depressing at the same time.
 
In general terms I completely understand why some want to give him the benifit of doubt and another crack next season. Especially with the exciting first season! With 90% of managers I'd be of the same opinion.

My problem and the reason I'm not doing that with Martinez is because he is different to 90% of other managers. History shows under NO circumstances will he dievate from his philosophy. He will have the same ideas and plan next season.

He will invietabley be sacked way before Xmas anyway and fade away into managing lower than average clubs. I just don't see the point.
 
In general terms I completely understand why some want to give him the benifit of doubt and another crack next season. Especially with the exciting first season! With 90% of managers I'd be of the same opinion.

My problem and the reason I'm not doing that with Martinez is because he is different to 90% of other managers. History shows under NO circumstances will he dievate from his philosophy. He will have the same ideas and plan next season.

He will invietabley be sacked way before Xmas anyway and fade away into managing lower than average clubs. I just don't see the point.

Agreed, we should take the initiative and be sounding out his replacement now. We should then be planning pre season and who to get in, and more importantly assure players that they do not need to leave as we will be playing proper football next season like they are used to and not this garbage served up by this `relegation specialist`
 
putting it out there.

A replacement for our current manager who hits all the criteria. young, massive potential in management, overachieving with his current team and already in demand by premier league teams. and he is an evertonian.

who you may ask?

Eddie howe
 

No there isn't. You either want to play football or you want to hit it long. We know how hard it's been at this club to get ourselves weaned off a brand of football that looks for the easy option long ball. Any retreat now away from footballing principles that underline a passing game over direct football will slide right into the hoofball we've been trying to avoid.

This club has been synonymous with knocking the ball long. It's no use denying it. We just are (or were until very recently).

If back to the future is on the cards we really are contemplating a return to the dark ages again. It was never good to watch and wont be if it returns. We all complained bitterly about the mostly turgid clueless brand of football played at Everton for the last decade and a half, let's not forget that.

i) you sure?

you really really sure??

That out of all the opinions on here and other places, different methods and formations, from the Moyes end of the spectrum - to the Martinez spectrum end, that yours alone is the one true Jerusalem, the ONLY way to play football.
and that is that, for ever and ever, amen.
That your and Roberto's joint, my way or the highway...oh and btw, there's no highway option, is the only way; Is, over the years, going to win us more games than we lose...which it isn't doing at the moment

ii) that's not what I said, I didn't mention going back to hoofball ala Moyes, what i mean is taking the best bits of Moyes...and there were some and the best bits of Martinez and there are some and thus finding a middle ground where you pick and mix what and how we play as the circumstances dictate.

iia) Fill in a proverb of your choice along the lines of , cutting your suit according to you cloth... silk purses etc.
Trouble is silk purses cost.

iii) Moyes and Martinez, have and are, proved and proving themselves to be, in different ways just as inflexible as each other...that's the bad side of them

iv)
Hence the Goldilocks option...not too much Moyes ( of the inflexible type ) and not too much Martinez ( of the just as inflexible type )
 
putting it out there.

A replacement for our current manager who hits all the criteria. young, massive potential in management, overachieving with his current team and already in demand by premier league teams. and he is an evertonian.

who you may ask?

Eddie howe
Seriously though, how often do lower league managers work out. We got lucky with moist.

We should be aiming much higher if we did go down the new manager route
 
Anyone is better than our `relegation` assymetric shapes` specialist. Howe looks good, unbeaten in 12 games, believe west ham are eyeing him up. We need to find someone who can get our players playing to their strengths, and not try to copy some continental style that just wont work in the premier league
 
In general terms I completely understand why some want to give him the benifit of doubt and another crack next season. Especially with the exciting first season! With 90% of managers I'd be of the same opinion.

My problem and the reason I'm not doing that with Martinez is because he is different to 90% of other managers. History shows under NO circumstances will he dievate from his philosophy. He will have the same ideas and plan next season.

He will invietabley be sacked way before Xmas anyway and fade away into managing lower than average clubs. I just don't see the point.

i actually have quite opposite view of things. firstly i laugh at these comments that suggests that he wouldnt actually be very talented manager and that he wont ever manage bigger team in his life than us. ffs. let me tell you. this man has it, he has it all to be a great manager. people are actually forgetting that he's relatively young manager too. how short memories. how fickle.

but secondly....i agree, he wont change. why would he. he was hired to change things up and he did, immediately.
second season syndrome, all day long.

this season has been teaching everybody. im absolutely sure he will know what to do. players are exposed now. true colours have been revealed along this difficult season.

he will make us stronger and we will become sex again.

dont lose faith on this man.


- finners
 

putting it out there.

A replacement for our current manager who hits all the criteria. young, massive potential in management, overachieving with his current team and already in demand by premier league teams. and he is an evertonian.

who you may ask?

Eddie howe

How long will we keep giving unproven managers with potential a crack though? Leave that to teams who strive to finish mid table. With Moyes we paid elite manager wages and I'm sure we're not far off with Martinez. Eddie Howe, Shaun Dyche, Alan Irvine...Alan Stubbs?? No thanks. Give me someone who's won something meaningful. We need winners in the club. Offer someone like Klopp £70k a week. Otherwise keep Martinez.
 
He deserves punting end off. An absolute abomination of a manager who has somehow turned a top 6 club into one who has the likes of alcaraz, lennon and Naismith on the field whilst the likes of Mirallas, Barkley and Stones on the bench. LOL
 
putting it out there.

A replacement for our current manager who hits all the criteria. young, massive potential in management, overachieving with his current team and already in demand by premier league teams. and he is an evertonian.

who you may ask?

Eddie howe

So if he takes Bournemouth to the Premiership he leaves to come here? I don't think so. So he's young and has potential, Martinez is young and has potential, put it this way, if Howe came in and had a bad first season, how many of you would be calling for his head? Just stop being so hasty please Evertonians
 
Seriously though, how often do lower league managers work out. We got lucky with moist.

We should be aiming much higher if we did go down the new manager route

true. But at the same time managers have to start somewhere and moyes was not a failure in terms of turning us around.

If we cannot attract a pep or a Jose then the worst we can do is bring in someone and take a gamble surely? I mean we just gambled on a cup winning experienced manager in the same vein as being young and with potential and it seems next season could see him sacked.

howe has done fantastic and if and a big if he can keepprogressing tthe way he is then he could end up in our league with someone with a bit of cash. but he would be a gamble and of course it may not pay off
 

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