6 + 2 Point Deductions

I was thinking the same. They could argue they might sell a player for £200m next year and they'd be well inside the rules.
What we tried to say if we waited we could have made more on rich, they will say now is a fixed timeframe. They will be looking at what we try in the appeal but if the the new rules already in place will be alot harder to argue the case for forest
 
How are we close to a breach though? We’ve got fourth lowest net spend over last 5 years

Not judged on net spend.

Last set of accounts it was 89% of our turnover was spent on wages, season before it was 95%. We should have a drop again when the next set of accounts come in.

But, we have loans based on future tv money we have to pay out on as well now. We start each season losing money and it's not sustainable.

For years Moshiri changed debt to equity but since the Ukraine war that tap is turned off.
 
Agree, unfortunately for us.

Something I don’t understand: Everton and (if there’s a case) Forest get investigated quickly. If we’re guilty in 22-23 we get punished this season.

But City and Chelsea appear to be getting about 15 years’ grace from some of their alleged offences. Why are we ahead of them in the queue? It appears 1 year’s ‘cheating’ is treated more seriously than 15 years’ ‘cheating’
Think we have co-operated and made things easy.
Chelsea and City have taken the 'big business' approach and told the FA to prove it. Any information they have had to provide has been obscured and hidden inside teams of unimportant nonsense.
 


What I don't get re: the Forest case is Profit and Sustainability (under PL rules) is a 3 year period. Forest have only submitted the books for one FULL year they've been in the PL, so what are they under scrutiny?

Apologies if this has been explained earlier.

Under the Premier League rules mate, clubs can make a maximum loss of £105m over a rolling three-year period, or £35m a season. If a club has been in the EFL during those three years, the amount of losses allowed are smaller.

Forest would be limited to losses of £61m as opposed to £105 million- they were allowed losses of £13m per year for 2020/21 and 2021/22 seasons when they were in the Championship, plus £35m for last season.

Forest made a loss of £45.6m in 2021-22, when they were promoted, and £15.5m the season before. In both years, the club spent double the amount on wages that they earned in turnover. Although promotion to the Premier League will have boosted Forest’s income by about £90m, the club spent heavily on transfers after promotion and their wage bill will have rocketed too.
 
Well if we’re living in a world where multiple teams are getting 10 and 20 points deductions every season then it’s not a real sport anyway and I don’t particularly care what happens from that point on tbh.
Pretty much spot on. All over teams spending a bit of money (money their owners in general do have) to improve their teams and the product.

They simply can’t allow a farce where the whole table is rejigged late on by multiple points deductions late in the season and if lots of clubs are struggling with FFP they’ll simply have to rewrite the rules.

We’re hearing about lots of teams having to sell to buy because they are close to the FFP limit but eventually there will be no teams left to buy these players and the whole market will grind to a halt. They are too obsessed with The Product to allow that so the rules will change.

None of which will help little old Everton, of course, as this will come too late to help us. Our only hope is the appeal board see which way the wind is blowing.
 
Pretty much spot on. All over teams spending a bit of money (money their owners in general do have) to improve their teams and the product.

They simply can’t allow a farce where the whole table is rejigged late on by multiple points deductions late in the season and if lots of clubs are struggling with FFP they’ll simply have to rewrite the rules.

We’re hearing about lots of teams having to sell to buy because they are close to the FFP limit but eventually there will be no teams left to buy these players and the whole market will grind to a halt. They are too obsessed with The Product to allow that so the rules will change.

None of which will help little old Everton, of course, as this will come too late to help us. Our only hope is the appeal board see which way the wind is blowing.
Is strange because well the model will be to sell your so called best players for big money and will only be the same too sides fighting over them. But is interesting to think if could open a market to teams like us to get players at a smaller price with a sell on fee, with a view to team making money on players like onana. Or even mid prem teams doing deals with teams around them while over charging the top 6 even more
 
How many other clubs are running at a loss and our wage bill must have dropped a huge amount in the last 3yrs. Mina, digne, Walcott, gylfi, James, Bernard, richarlison, bolasie. Delph, tosun, Allen, gbamin. Kean, iwobi, gray, Rondon.

Obviously we bought players, but there no way we’ve got close to the wage bill of a couple of years ago, we also had a much bigger squad compared to today
jesus...
 

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