Yannick Bolasie

[MACCA75]

Even a 50 million net spend isn't going to have much of an affect tbh, (given the crazy prices). needs to be a lot higher if we are to significantly improve the squad.

 

[Jacko93]

I think it is fair and balanced, tbh.

As we stand it's been a disappointment: even if we do get a glut of signings in during the next fortnight that wont make for a well planned and executed transfer window. It just confirms that we're still essentially a sell to buy club; that we've had to hang on and hang on until City moved for Stones to get our preseason spending going and that has wrecked our preparations.

I think that there has been a lot of upheaval at the club over the summer, which doesn't always lead to the most productive of windows. Yeah, JM and PG have come in up the M62, but it was something that they had been preparing for for months prior, and there is no way that talks on targets didn't take place before the season finished. Also, we have changed the way that we identify, target and recruit players with the arrival of Walsh, all with the style of player we wish to target changing as well.

With the order in which things seem to be happening now, I think that it is fair to say that the Stones sale has happened as much due to STCC as it is the will of the player to leave or City to buy, we certainly didn't seem to need his sale to afford the transfer value of players, but rather their wage demands, a requirement put upon us by the league, for me that is demonstrated in the reported cost of Bolasie if he comes.

We have to increase our Merchandise and sponsorship profits in order to compete, selling Stones was just the necessary evil of this window to speed things up.

 

[BlueToff]

Even a 50 million net spend isn't going to have much of an affect tbh, (given the crazy prices). needs to be a lot higher if we are to significantly improve the squad.

No, it doesn't.

50mil net spend would (not factoring in any other sales) could easily result in:

Gueye - 8mil (rounded up)
Williams - 12mil (again, going with the highest reported figure)
Bolasie - 25mil (even this is probably a few mil higher)
Mata - 30mil (obviously unknown at this stage)
Kone - 18mil

Even with those five incoming (obviously it's up in the air on Mata/Kone), it still doesn't account for a 50mil net spend in this window, and those 5 all improve the team/squad.

We're also likely to see sales of some of the likes of McCarthy/Clevs/Gibbo and possibly even Jagielka, as well as McGeady, Kone and Niasse hopefully being shipped out.

 

[BlueToff]

I think that there has been a lot of upheaval at the club over the summer, which doesn't always lead to the most productive of windows. Yeah, JM and PG have come in up the M62, but it was something that they had been preparing for for months prior, and there is no way that talks on targets didn't take place before the season finished. Also, we have changed the way that we identify, target and recruit players with the arrival of Walsh, all with the style of player we wish to target changing as well.

With the order in which things seem to be happening now, I think that it is fair to say that the Stones sale has happened as much due to STCC as it is the will of the player to leave or City to buy, we certainly didn't seem to need his sale to afford the transfer value of players, but rather their wage demands, a requirement put upon us by the league, for me that is demonstrated in the reported cost of Bolasie if he comes.

We have to increase our Merchandise and sponsorship profits in order to compete, selling Stones was just the necessary evil of this window to speed things up.

Plus the lad wanted to go and we got an extremely decent fee for him. His place in the squad has already been filled so we're no worse off numbers wise, though we do still need another CB in IMO (and it appears we are looking).

 

[davek]

Don't think this is a fair assessment.

Our net spend by the end of this transfer window will certainly be more than £50m, if this is the case then it's simply not true to say we are 'sell to buy'.

If we go out and spend the type of money that has been expected all summer then it will be quite obvious that the hurdle we had to maneuver around this summer was the STCC regulations on salaries.

Edit: I'm interpreting "sell to buy" as us needing to sell players in order to be able to afford to buy players.

It's obvious we have to still cut our cloth accordingly. We haven't made that massive leap that was allowed to become an article of faith on here and other forums that the rules of the game for us had fundamentally changed on Moshiri's arrival. We need to wait and get high value players out of the door in order to provide wriggle room on wages...itself something that could have been avoided if the club under the new ownership were able to swing commercial deals and generate revenue to help us out in that respect. "He's only been here 6 months". Ok, but what is going to be different going forward when there isn't any concrete plan to increase our revenue base other than a vague stadium promise?

 

[MACCA75]

No, it doesn't.

50mil net spend would (not factoring in any other sales) could easily result in:

Gueye - 8mil (rounded up)
Williams - 12mil (again, going with the highest reported figure)
Bolasie - 25mil (even this is probably a few mil higher)
Mata - 30mil (obviously unknown at this stage)
Kone - 18mil

Even with those five incoming (obviously it's up in the air on Mata/Kone), it still doesn't account for a 50mil net spend in this window, and those 5 all improve the team/squad.

We're also likely to see sales of some of the likes of McCarthy/Clevs/Gibbo and possibly even Jagielka, as well as McGeady, Kone and Niasse hopefully being shipped out.

Would still need a keeper and another striker before we are looking at challenging top 6/7

 

[davek]

I think that there has been a lot of upheaval at the club over the summer, which doesn't always lead to the most productive of windows. Yeah, JM and PG have come in up the M62, but it was something that they had been preparing for for months prior, and there is no way that talks on targets didn't take place before the season finished. Also, we have changed the way that we identify, target and recruit players with the arrival of Walsh, all with the style of player we wish to target changing as well.

With the order in which things seem to be happening now, I think that it is fair to say that the Stones sale has happened as much due to STCC as it is the will of the player to leave or City to buy, we certainly didn't seem to need his sale to afford the transfer value of players, but rather their wage demands, a requirement put upon us by the league, for me that is demonstrated in the reported cost of Bolasie if he comes.

We have to increase our Merchandise and sponsorship profits in order to compete, selling Stones was just the necessary evil of this window to speed things up.

That's fair comment. But it doesn't destroy the point being made, it merely makes the analysis of the structural problem more precise: a shift from fees to wages. It still leaves us in a bind that can only be addressed and solved by major change on commercial activities - be that sponsorship deals or stadium builds.

The generation of revenue at this club was the fundamental issue before Moshiri arrived and it remains so now. My question is this: how do we avoid the STCC trap in future seasons when there is no demonstration whatsoever that our wretched commercial operation can or will improve?

Again, it's an article of faith. Until we solve that one then we're looking at a continuation of the old failed project of selling our highest value player(s) and using that to largely operate with.

 

[Brennan]

Any time I've had a conversation with DaveK on here he's always been reasonable towards me. Was just giving my opinion, not planning on debating it

Truth be told I was pro-Martinez for a lot longer than most... the only reason I changed my views towards the end was because his position was untenable - he would never have been able to win back the fans and the negativity around the club as a result necessitated a change. Now, I'm not saying I was definitely right in this view - but it was my opinion at the time so I don't want to be dishonest about it.

Can you stop being so reasonable please. Call me a tit or something

 

[Jacko93]

It's obvious we have to still cut our cloth accordingly. We haven't made that massive leap that was allowed to become an article of faith on here and other forums that the rules of the game for us had fundamentally changed on Moshiri's arrival. We need to wait and get high value players out of the door in order to provide wriggle room on wages...itself something that could have been avoided if the club under the new ownership were able to swing commercial deals and generate revenue to help us out in that respect. "He's only been here 6 months". Ok, but what is going to be different going forward when there isn't any concrete plan to increase our revenue base other than a vague stadium promise?

Are you privy to his plans? I'm not. Yes, he's not been out and said anything about his plans outside of a paragraph in the Chelsea programme and when Kenwright pretty much spoke for him on TV, but with the general excitement within the club, the attraction of us to Koeman and Walsh, you can be forgiven for using all of that together to make an assumption that his plans are certainly impressive in a number of areas. Even one of the most ridiculous agents in world football has said that things have changed at Everton.

 

[bobafro]

It's obvious we have to still cut our cloth accordingly. We haven't made that massive leap that was allowed to become an article of faith on here and other forums that the rules of the game for us had fundamentally changed on Moshiri's arrival. We need to wait and get high value players out of the door in order to provide wriggle room on wages...itself something that could have been avoided if the club under the new ownership were able to swing commercial deals and generate revenue to help us out in that respect. "He's only been here 6 months". Ok, but what is going to be different going forward when there isn't any concrete plan to increase our revenue base other than a vague stadium promise?

I see where you're coming from but the amount of revenue that we would've needed to generate required at lease one major player sale. The 7 million cap on wage increases is essentially one £135K p/w contract. If we're looking to get Lukaku/Barkley significantly improved contracts as well as adding in a few players that will need to be earning a decent wedge, we probably needed to increase non-broadcasting revenue by at least 25/30m... unrealistic to expect us to be able to do this without selling players considering we finished 11th in league last year.

Anyway, I'm no expert. I'm just reserving judgement until the window shuts... obviously, it's less than ideal that we'll be doing business after the season starts but for me it's worth it if it allows us to get the types of targets the team requires to move to the next level.

 

[BlueToff]

Would still need a keeper and another striker before we are looking at challenging top 6/7

I'm not saying we wouldn't mate but you said we wouldn't be able to improve the squad with 50mil net spend. We quite clearly could.

 

[davek]

Are you privy to his plans? I'm not. Yes, he's not been out and said anything about his plans outside of a paragraph in the Chelsea programme and when Kenwright pretty much spoke for him on TV, but with the general excitement within the club, the attraction of us to Koeman and Walsh, you can be forgiven for using all of that together to make an assumption that his plans are certainly impressive in a number of areas. Even one of the most ridiculous agents in world football has said that things have changed at Everton.

We can pay higher fees (apparently). What good does it do though if you have an upper limit on wages?

Loads of our PL competitors are paying higher fees now. We gain no advantage there. We need an explosion of activity from our commercial arm to generate revenue to allow 4/5 top quality players demanding top end wages in order to scrap our way above the midtable dross and have a go at sustaining CL place challenges.

Where's the plan? A sit down photo session with Joe Anderson and a few words of encouragement on the stadium dont amount to anything substantial in my opinion.

 

[davek]

I see where you're coming from but the amount of revenue that we would've needed to generate required at lease one major player sale. The 7 million cap on wage increases is essentially one £135K p/w contract. If we're looking to get Lukaku/Barkley significantly improved contracts as well as adding in a few players that will need to be earning a decent wedge, we probably needed to increase non-broadcasting revenue by at least 25/30m... unrealistic to expect us to be able to do this without selling players considering we finished 11th in league last year.

Anyway, I'm no expert. I'm just reserving judgement until the window shuts... obviously, it's less than ideal that we'll be doing business after the season starts but for me it's worth it if it allows us to get the types of targets the team requires to move to the next level.

We're essentially in agreement. We differ only in how we view the prospect of continuing to sell our high value players to achieve wage stability.

 

[neil999]

just spoke to a palace fan - he loves him, but says we are overpaying, great to watch tho and always has a smile on his face

sounds like he will be interesting at least..

 

[bluestevon]

We can pay higher fees (apparently). What good does it do though if you have an upper limit on wages?

Loads of our PL competitors are paying higher fees now. We gain no advantage there. We need an explosion of activity from our commercial arm to generate revenue to allow 4/5 top quality players demanding top end wages in order to scrap our way above the midtable dross and have a go at sustaining CL place challenges.

Where's the plan? A sit down photo session with Joe Anderson and a few words of encouragement on the stadium dont amount to anything substantial in my opinion.

Wanting to make several 'statement' signings, and failing to make a single 'statement' signing, basically makes it's own statement, the one transfer involving a high profile player has been the one leaving Everton.

as of right now that says a lot


Edit - far too many statements in that paragraph for my liking