Winning trophies

[allezlesbleus]

I love being an Evertonian in itself and could never encourage anyone to pick the current flavour of the month. But while patience and a willingness to accept you don't win everything every year is part of being a Blue it is shocking that we have gone so long without some silverware and I object strongly to any attempts to manage our expectations to believe we can win nothing and should be happy with that.

 

[The Equaliser]

A good start towards winning a trophy would be not to put out a reserve team away to another Premiership side above us in the table in the League Cup 3rd round.

If this sort of disdain for the competition continues to be shown we will still be having the same discussion in 10 years time.

 

[blue_aussie05]

Yes, I included their 95 league cup win as it was the same season as we won the FA Cup, albeit a couple of months before, if you're being pedantic.

I also included Blackburn as winning the Prem, although they may perhaps have also won that, what, a week before our FA Cup win?

 

[blue_aussie05]

I didn't watch the Chelsea game today, but it really makes me sad watching a group of players lifting the league trophy, given how long it's been since we did it last, and how long it'll more than likely be until we do it again!!

I still remember it as though it were yesterday, feeling that pride that our club, our players, were the best in the land.

I also sometimes get that feeling watching any team lift anything, but the league title is the barometer for me of being the total best.

I soooo want to see us lift another trophy. Twenty years, FFS!!!

 

[blue_aussie05]

Knowing our luck, it probably won't ever work out this way, but instead of fielding second string teams in the League Cup, I'd really have a good go at winning it next year. As I said, we'd probably get Man U away, followed by Arsenal away, then RS away, then get Chelsea in the semis. And if we managed to get past all them, we'd still get someone like City in the final!!!

There's never any of this avoiding the big clubs with us!

 

[DanEFC92]

20 years though.

 

[blue_aussie05]

20 years is way too long for a club of our stature not to win anything.

Only a few more years to go until we equal our longest ever barren period as a club.

Typical that this has followed hot on the heels of our most successful era.

Can't believe I may very well live through our most barren years either!

 

[rochdaleblue]

The financial rewards for the most successful period in our history paled into insignificance with the money available nowadays in the sky era. Yes the top clubs, when we were one of them still spent the most but it wasn't like the divide created by the top 4 now. As a result we didn't have the financial advantage over other teams that would have allowed us to sustain our success. When you think back to the early 80s, Southampton and Watford finished runners up in the league. This was by excellent management and small squads. Nowadays clubs like city and Chelsea stockpile the best talent where even full internationals struggle to get in the match day squad let alone team.

 

[alpha1]

I love supporting our club whatever the results but it sure is easier to cheer on your team when they are winning things!
I have seen us win nothing and I have seen us win trophies. I like the winning trophies bit better.
Let's do it more!

 

[Pat's Van]

The financial rewards for the most successful period in our history paled into insignificance with the money available nowadays in the sky era. Yes the top clubs, when we were one of them still spent the most but it wasn't like the divide created by the top 4 now. As a result we didn't have the financial advantage over other teams that would have allowed us to sustain our success. When you think back to the early 80s, Southampton and Watford finished runners up in the league. This was by excellent management and small squads. Nowadays clubs like city and Chelsea stockpile the best talent where even full internationals struggle to get in the match day squad let alone team.

I'm not a massive fan of the disproportionate wealth argument of today, given that we've had very generous benefactors in the past, to the point were it was us as the millionairo's or mersey millionaires or whatever.

I agree that we should have easily have had something trophy wise in the last 20 years, but for us to moan about not having the same amount of money as some may be hypocritical albeit true.

 

[rochdaleblue]

I'm not a massive fan of the disproportionate wealth argument of today, given that we've had very generous benefactors in the past, to the point were it was us as the millionairo's or mersey millionaires or whatever.

I agree that we should have easily have had something trophy wise in the last 20 years, but for us to moan about not having the same amount of money as some may be hypocritical albeit true.

You only have to look at some of the teams who were successful during the 70s and 80s. Derby county and forest. Clough was a genius. He won titles with both clubs on a shoestring budget. Our mid 80s team, Reid 60k Gray 250k sharp 100k. Most teams in the league could afford these players not just the top 4.

 

[blulouie]

Sick to the stomach today seeing Chelsea , (a "smaller" club than Everton in my eyes) lift yet another trophy .It was galling to see them bought out by Abramovich and his millions.Now we see them win the Premiership spending less than City Liverpool & United.in the last few years.Due to FFP rules they cant match clubs like Utd but now do it a different way having a raft of youngsters loaned out all over europe , each with a substantial cash value.Pains me to say it but they must have the best Business Plan in the country.I've come to terms this will never happen to us with this board , when not if we are bought out is the only time this will happen for us.Until then ,yes I love my club & that will never change ....ever. But today really struck a chord watching Chelsea & thoughts of the last 20 years hope to Christ its not another 20 before winning something ....Anything !

 

[Woolly Blue]

All of those teams, apart from three, have since been relegated, some more than once.

So, winning a trophy doesn't guarantee anything.

This is an argument often put forward as an example of why league position is more important than winning a trophy.
It's a bit more complicated than that though.

Of the current top six, only City have recently had a spell outside the top flight. Swansea have only been in the Premier League four or five years so, putting them to one side, only ourselves, Villa and the top six are teams with anything like a long pedigree in the top flight.

So basically, the majority of teams in the Premier League are likely to have been, or will in the nearish future, be relegated. You might argue that winning a cup contributed to Wigan getting relegated, but the link between winning a trophy and relegation is, at best, tenous. We're a big club, with more resources than all of those relegated clubs and should be able to mount a decent challenge on either the FA or League cup ( or both ) without fear of relegation. People might point at our experience in the Europa this season as evidence to the contrary, but they'd be wrong.

 

[Allezfan]

I'm not a massive fan of the disproportionate wealth argument of today, given that we've had very generous benefactors in the past, to the point were it was us as the millionairo's or mersey millionaires or whatever.

I agree that we should have easily have had something trophy wise in the last 20 years, but for us to moan about not having the same amount of money as some may be hypocritical albeit true.

The point is that we spend 120 pence for every pound our rivals spent. Chelsea are now spending 6 pounds for every pound we spend.

We weren't even spending 6 times what fourth division teams were spending as the mersey millionaires. We had more money, sure, but not magnitudes more.

 

[Pat's Van]

The point is that we spend 120 pence for every pound our rivals spent. Chelsea are now spending 6 pounds for every pound we spend.

We weren't even spending 6 times what fourth division teams were spending as the mersey millionaires. We had more money, sure, but not magnitudes more.

I know mate, it's a far larger gap now, but we've previously still had the advantage of being one of the wealthier teams.

The better players go to the teams with more money.

The teams with more money win more trophies.

It's always been the way.