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Can't really put into words how shocking this post is.
We don't "expect success", we just don't expect abject failure.
We're not asking to win three league titles on the trot or anything like it's our birthright, but we're expecting to at least be in the mix regularly for domestic trophies if nothing else.
It's amazing how expectations have actually lowered thanks to David Moyes and his "plucky underdogs" tag he gives us constantly, with the "knife to a gunfight" crap.
We don't "expect success", we just don't expect abject failure.
We're not asking to win three league titles on the trot or anything like it's our birthright, but we're expecting to at least be in the mix regularly for domestic trophies if nothing else.
It's amazing how expectations have actually lowered thanks to David Moyes and his "plucky underdogs" tag he gives us constantly, with the "knife to a gunfight" crap.
Brave post mate, I don't think many can disagree with you re the financial situation. I'm in my 50's and have seen some very lean times as well as good times, the feel of the club at the moment reminds me of the end of Gordon Lees tenure, a good side unravelling into a pale shadow of its former self. As an Evertonian I don't feel we have a divine right to win trophys but I do expect to challenge for them on occasion with fight and desire. The current board have brought disgrace to our club motto and sadly so have the manager and the players. We need change from top to bottom.
Blue Cheese
Mental Patient, GOT Ward
I think the OP says a lot about how younger generation fans regard the club these days, even our own are accepting mediocrity.
No matter how bad things get and they've been horrible at times in the 90's, we are still a big club with massive traditions and a history of winning silverware.
That's why we should expect success, "If you know your history", there is a reason we sing that.
No matter how bad things get and they've been horrible at times in the 90's, we are still a big club with massive traditions and a history of winning silverware.
That's why we should expect success, "If you know your history", there is a reason we sing that.
Woolly Blue
Player Valuation: £80m
This.
To win a cup you generally have to play above yourself once or, in a tough year twice. You also have to put away the lesser teams. We're capabke of both but have fallen short. The problems more mental than down to cash. Getting into the CL is different like. For that you need cash, which gives you a squad where the second choice players are still European class and aren't championship class.
Because we've got a team that can match just about anyone on it's day and given some of the crap that's won trophies during Moyes' tenure you'd have thought we might have at least managed one.
I realise we're not the team we were in the past, but some of the pitiful, pathetic surrenders under Moyes to clearly inferior opposition are infuriating.
I realise we're not the team we were in the past, but some of the pitiful, pathetic surrenders under Moyes to clearly inferior opposition are infuriating.
Seamus Colemole
Previously deathbyropeandglass
Its laughable really isn't it.
No one thinks we should be winning the league and Champions league.
Just that we should be giving ourselves every chance of having thr 5th best side in the Prem actually win a cup competition.
Not beat Man City, Man U, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal in league games but apparently be unable to beat them in cup games to win something. Cause we can't beat them in cup games cause they spend more money than us but we can beat them in league games.
Part of the reason we haven't won a cup in 18 years is because we've lost to better teams. But a far bigger part is that we've lost to worse teams because the manager couldn't send us out to actually win those games against teams worse than us.
We shouldn't have won something because we're Everton. We should have won something because we're good enough.
And there's nothing more annoying than ill thought out bull**** excuses for why we haven't.
Jamo Martinez
Player Valuation: £70m
I subscribe to this way of thinking.
Del
Ric Wee fan club member 2014
dannyboy
Player Valuation: £60m
The only person lowering expectations at Everton is Bill Kenwright.
Essex Blue
Player Valuation: £10m
If football was so predetermined by expenditure, you'd be able to make a killing at the bookies. But Swansea won the league cup, what price were they at the start of the competition, and how many people backed them?
Winning the trophy should always be the objective, we certainly haven't reached the point where we are entering cup competitions just to make up the numbers. Winning a trophy might be difficult but it's far from being beyond the realms of possibility.
Winning the trophy should always be the objective, we certainly haven't reached the point where we are entering cup competitions just to make up the numbers. Winning a trophy might be difficult but it's far from being beyond the realms of possibility.
dannyboy
Player Valuation: £60m
My biggest criticism of Moyes is the rotation he adopts for the League Cup. That's his real chance of winning a trophy but he just doesn't take it seriously enough.
I could have sworn in some of our recent games with City and United we've done pretty well.
But apparently we'd get bummed at Wembley by default.
But apparently we'd get bummed at Wembley by default.
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