Who would you replace Lampard with?

[TheBigIguana]

When have we ever gone 20-40 minutes in games not causing pressure? I cant think of a single Everton team in my lifetime who do that.

The second half at Fulham? The entire Newcastle and Spurs games? Long stretches of Brentford and Leeds? We can't be on the same page here because the current side is doing this every couple weeks at worst.

 

[catcherintherye]

The second half at Fulham? The entire Newcastle and Spurs games? Long stretches of Brentford and Leeds? We can't be on the same page here because the current side is doing this every couple weeks at worst.

I think I made my point badly. My point is, when have we ever not had periods of time like that, under any manager, in the last 25 years.

That's the norm. If you make that a base standard, you're going to just keep going through managers with the ensuing instability causing a further drag on performance.

Again, I'm not trying to dig at you, but did you watch us under Walter Smith. It was a lot worse than this.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I think I made my point badly. My point is, when have we ever not had periods of time like that, under any manager, in the last 25 years.

That's the norm. If you make that a base standard, you're going to just keep going through managers with the ensuing instability causing a further drag on performance.

Again, I'm not trying to dig at you, but did you watch us under Walter Smith. It was a lot worse than this.

I don't think that's been as normal under everyone but Frank, Sam and Carlo. Sam doesn't know anything else, Carlo is a manager who takes you exactly as far as the talent allows and the talented didn't allow so he didn’t try, and now we have Frank. But crucially it really doesn't have to be a norm. "Better than Walter Smith" while positive is not where we should be measuring at.

 

[Brendan Janus]

Harry Redknapp !

 

[Charles Hawtrey]

Frank Lampard

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

31 pages? Ffs GOT

 

[Ruairi77]

I don't think that's been as normal under everyone but Frank, Sam and Carlo. Sam doesn't know anything else, Carlo is a manager who takes you exactly as far as the talent allows and the talented didn't allow so he didn’t try, and now we have Frank. But crucially it really doesn't have to be a norm. "Better than Walter Smith" while positive is not where we should be measuring at.

Carlo had us right up there until he got wind of the Madrid job (prob around March) and then the wheels came off.
It was dire football at the time but definitely needs must.
Thing is, you knew if he stayed, our football would improve.
Thats not the case for Sam.
As for Lampard, He's clearly stripped out a lot of dead wood and is building from the back so the football will be dour for a while but I think there's enough there to show that he needs time to put a decent forward line together. Thats the hardest thing to do when building a team and after losing Richarlison, he's starting from way behind.
By shoring us up at the back, he's buying time to fix the other issues. We have to give him that time.
Also the way he has the crowd on side is something I don't think I've seen since Royle. Thats worth a huge amount!

 

[catcherintherye]

I don't think that's been as normal under everyone but Frank, Sam and Carlo. Sam doesn't know anything else, Carlo is a manager who takes you exactly as far as the talent allows and the talented didn't allow so he didn’t try, and now we have Frank. But crucially it really doesn't have to be a norm. "Better than Walter Smith" while positive is not where we should be measuring at.

I'm not saying hes better than Walter Smith as a measuring stick mate. I'm just saying this lack of attacking impetus is not unusual.

As you've said, there were 2 other managers in the last 5 years who suffered the same.

We had the same under Koeman. The same for passages under Martinez. The same under early Moyes. Same for most of Smith. Same for Kendall MK2. Same for spells under Royle. The same under Walker.

At some point you have to say it's more systematic than a specific manager.

Of that list, Lampards Everton are somewhere in the middle, and he probably inherited one of the hardest situations.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I'm not saying hes better than Walter Smith as a measuring stick mate. I'm just saying this lack of attacking impetus is not unusual.

As you've said, there were 2 other managers in the last 5 years who suffered the same.

We had the same under Koeman. The same for passages under Martinez. The same under early Moyes. Same for most of Smith. Same for Kendall MK2. Same for spells under Royle. The same under Walker.

At some point you have to say it's more systematic than a specific manager.

Of that list, Lampards Everton are somewhere in the middle, and he probably inherited one of the hardest situations.

I just don't really agree, Koeman wasn't even here long enough into the second season to really say it became a trend but it wasn't the first and Martinez definitely didn't have issues getting up the pitch for a lot of his time. I'm not saying they're better or worse just that this specific issue wasn't there under them.

To me it's a huge issue as well. We're managing in spite of it at the minute but it really isn't a way you can live forever. Even the guys who have done for a long time can turn it on in enough games to have another gear.

 

[catcherintherye]

I just don't really agree, Koeman wasn't even here long enough into the second season to really say it became a trend but it wasn't the first and Martinez definitely didn't have issues getting up the pitch for a lot of his time. I'm not saying they're better or worse just that this specific issue wasn't there under them.

To me it's a huge issue as well. We're managing in spite of it at the minute but it really isn't a way you can live forever. Even the guys who have done for a long time can turn it on in enough games to have another gear.

Koeman in his first season had a spell where we just couldnt sustain pressure.

Martinez likewise.

We can argue about degrees, but it definitely existed. They also had Lukaku, Deulofeu and a peak Barkley.

 

[Bluestar]

The second half at Fulham? The entire Newcastle and Spurs games? Long stretches of Brentford and Leeds? We can't be on the same page here because the current side is doing this every couple weeks at worst.

All away games?

It’s something to work on, no doubt. But we’re definitely better at home this season compared to Benitez.

 

[TheBigIguana]

All away games?

It’s something to work on, no doubt. But we’re definitely better at home this season compared to Benitez.

Yeah it happens less at home for sure, and usually only against actually good teams, but it still does happen. Definitely spells of the United game for instance.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Koeman in his first season had a spell where we just couldnt sustain pressure.

Martinez likewise.

We can argue about degrees, but it definitely existed. They also had Lukaku, Deulofeu and a peak Barkley.

Having peak Lukaku obviously meant more than Koeman being manager but still it just wasn't close to this

 

[catcherintherye]

Having peak Lukaku obviously meant more than Koeman being manager but still it just wasn't close to this

I'm not going to draw stats out, but in that first season we had a bad run, and in the 2nd, we had periods where we couldnt get near opponents in games. That Burnley defeat at Home, shortly after Spurs spanking us 3-0 at home immediately spring to mind.

I'm just not sure it's a realistic expectation mate.

 

[witchdoc187]

Nobody. The answer is nobody.

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