Who will be proved right? Moyes or Rodgers.

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Zatara2 said:
Not sure whats wrong with the question here....

For me, I'd say the problem is that Sterling plays on the wing and barkley in centre mid.

Pool dont have any wingers other than downing who has been a flop. Whereas we have had a good number of centre mids ahead of barkley....

I think playing wingers is low risk compared to a central midfielder and that moyes dropped him as he was defensively naive.
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Exactly. Rodgers playing Sterling out of necessity, not because he's the next Rooney (which he isn't, and neither is Barkley for that matter either).
 
TheBlueGibbon said:
1st game of last season where he was man of the match?
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Do you mean the QPR game?

I'm just saying.. big difference between Rooney's explosion onto the scene, and Raheem Sterling getting man of the match against City and setting up a goal at Sunderland playing in a team with the likes of Gerrard & Suarez.

Barkley has a modestly impressive debut in an injury hit side. There is a big difference. Barkley has been very promising, but the OP is suggesting Moyes is doing the team a disservice by not including him. I don't agree with that. Next year will be his year.
 
'but the OP is suggesting Moyes is doing the team a disservice by not including him. I don't agree with that. Next year will be his year. '

Quite the opposite. I'm saying the team performs better without him. I'm saying that if Rodgers removes Sterling from the first team then maybe Liverpools results will get better as well.
 
Barkley's full debut was miles better than Rooney's in all honesty, as good a game as I've seen from a 17 year old. His first five passes where seriously 30 yard crossfield balls from left to right and he kept that up throughout the game. It would have been a good performance by anyones standards.

As for him being a CM, I don't buy it, personally, as he's as good outwide as he is in the middle of the park. He's very much a playmaker who can play anywhere in midfield.
 
ToxtethBlue said:
Barkley's full debut was miles better than Rooney's in all honesty, as good a game as I've seen from a 17 year old. His first five passes where seriously 30 yard crossfield balls from left to right and he kept that up throughout the game. It would have been a good performance by anyones standards.

As for him being a CM, I don't buy it, personally, as he's as good outwide as he is in the middle of the park. He's very much a playmaker who can play anywhere in midfield.
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Rooney was a once in a generation talent. As much as people want Barkley to be Rooney, he isn't. He isn't as good now as Rooney was at the same age. In the future, he may develop into an amazing player and he's certainly got the potential. But he's not ready yet.

I look forward to Barkley showing his class then in his upcoming 5-6 games (at least) for Sheff Wed. Lets see him dominate Championship teams; if he's as good as some people seem to think, he'll have no problem doing this then.
 
The key difference is the relative quality of the two sides. Stirling is better than Downing or whoever else is the wide midfield fallback (posibly Henderson).
Barkley's best position, (at present) in behind the front man, he has an in form Fellaini keeping him out. It's hard to justify being in the team on merit, and it would be hard to argue against Stirling being in their team.
Moyes is very keen to give young oplayers a chance, when deserved. We've broken the record for youngest in the history of Everton 4 or 5 times under Moyes's regime, i think that shows how keen he is. (I imagine this is more than any former EFC manager?) At present though, Barkley is not good enough to play for us.
 
Happy Nick said:
I think you have missed my point. He stood out from any member of our team in those games. Bring up the match threads to see for your self just how much people on here raved about him. I'm saying that despite standing out the team was still losing!!! Like with Liverpool, the lad stands out playing with the likes of Gerrard and Suarez yet the team are at the bottom end of the league, yet to win a game.
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the pull out footy echo thing hasnt been printing the league recently so you cant be too sure where about `pool are
 
Liverpool's version of dog awful is still capable of beating us Suarez, Gerrard, Reina and this new kid would walk into our team and inferiority doesn't figure in their psyche.

Talking about the RS in relegation terms is wishful thinking, they'll come good and unfortunately I know the very game that'll turn it round for them.
 
BoysInBlue said:
Rooney was a once in a generation talent. As much as people want Barkley to be Rooney, he isn't. He isn't as good now as Rooney was at the same age. In the future, he may develop into an amazing player and he's certainly got the potential. But he's not ready yet.

I look forward to Barkley showing his class then in his upcoming 5-6 games (at least) for Sheff Wed. Lets see him dominate Championship teams; if he's as good as some people seem to think, he'll have no problem doing this then.
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I don't believe Rooney is, he's a world class player, but there are lots of players in his bracket. Steven Gerrard, in his prime, being one of them, and he was also developed in this city. I think Ross could easily be in and around that level. I've seen him do everything Rooney can do with the ball and that's the way I look at it. The passes, the dribbles, the potential goal threat. He lacks Rooney's burst of pace but he's a different type player, more of a midfielder, and I also see things he has over the Wayne, his ambidexterity and the fact that he's 6ft plus and still growing. Rooney's more aggressive but the mentality's the same, Ross has that willingness to get on the ball and make things happen.

I'm realistic, he's not ready to go into our side as a orthodox centre midfielder, the defensive side of his game needs lots of work, but as a creative player I'd say he's more than ready because he's that good a footballer. I think if we played him off one of the flanks, like we do with Osman and Pienaar, then he'd be very comfortable at this level. Hopefully Sheffield Wednesday give him that platform.
 
ToxtethBlue said:
I don't believe Rooney is, he's a world class player, but there are lots of players in his bracket. Steven Gerrard, in his prime, being one of them, and he was also developed in this city. I think Ross could easily be in and around that level. I've seen him do everything Rooney can do with the ball and that's the way I look at it. The passes, the dribbles, the potential goal threat. He lacks Rooney's burst of pace but he's a different type player, more of a midfielder, and I also see things he has over the Wayne, his ambidexterity and the fact that he's 6ft plus and still growing. Rooney's more aggressive but the mentality's the same, Ross has that willingness to get on the ball and make things happen.

I'm realistic, he's not ready to go into our side as a orthodox centre midfielder, the defensive side of his game needs lots of work, but as a creative player I'd say he's more than ready because he's that good a footballer. I think if we played him off one of the flanks, like we do with Osman and Pienaar, then he'd be very comfortable at this level. Hopefully Sheffield Wednesday give him that platform.
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I think people tend to forget with the Rooney comparisons that Barkley plays in a far more demanding position, which requires a lot more maturity as well as the natural ability (which Barkley clearly has).
 
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