Which managers have progressed us?

[GrandOldTeam]

In the long run,but short term the few goals that came from them won us important points.

Not sure it did mate. You'll find my posts on here from the time saying not to pay the money because we weren't going down nor achieving anything that season with them. We also knew Allardyce was being legged for Silva in the summer.

 

[johnjoeefc]

Howard kendall progressed
Mike walker regressed
Joe royle progressed
Walter smith regressed
David Moyes progressed
Roberto Martinez regressed
Roger Koeman progressed then regressed
Sam Allardyce progressed (cant be argued)
Marco Silva (progressed then regressed)
Carlo Ancelotti (progressed)
Rafael Benitez (never would work)
Frank Lampard regressed
Sean Dyche (progressed then regressed)
David Moyes progressed

 

[PercyPlant]

Interesting that a few hours in there’s been ABSOLUTELY NO arguments for the managers I didn’ name and only a few criticisms of those I did. I’ll take that.

None progression list

Walker
Kendall part 3
Martinez
Koeman
Silva
Benitez
Lampard

 

[PercyPlant]

Howard kendall progressed
Mike walker regressed
Joe royle progressed
Walter smith regressed
David Moyes progressed
Roberto Martinez regressed
Roger Koeman progressed then regressed
Sam Allardyce progressed (cant be argued)
Marco Silva (progressed then regressed)
Carlo Ancelotti (progressed)
Rafael Benitez (never would work)
Frank Lampard regressed
Sean Dyche (progressed then regressed)
David Moyes progressed

You missed Kendall 97/98

 

[Tony Hibbert's Wife]

So he should have walked then.

Not this "I can't do the job but pay me to get off" thing he did.

Do managers ever walk? Even if we'd sacked him we'd still have needed to pay him off. In fact we did sack him. The alternative was a lurking relegation problem with Dyche going through the motions and a number of players running down their contracts playing for a bloke they're likely losing respect foe. I'm actually pleased he didn't make the case for him working out his contract as I'm not convinced he would have kept us up even if he did think he was still the man for the job.

 

[RichCee123]

Yep, Martinez was worse than pretty much all of them, to take a solid top 6 team to 13th (when he left) was absolutely devastating. Context is always required, but it’s close between him, Lampard and Benitez who did the worst job. Some may laugh at the Benitez shout. But he rocked up during a period where he had a summer with on 1.5m to spend. Yes he then wasted 20+m on Patterson and Mykelenko, but were the his signings like Niasse and Mcgeady were Martinez’ signings? Not sure.

Agreed. I’m sure Roberto is a lovely chap but never a top manager. He’s fine internationally as no need to coach the players daily

 

[PercyPlant]

Agreed. I’m sure Roberto is a lovely chap but never a top manager. He’s fine internationally as no need to coach the players daily

He’s not fine internationally, he absolutely failed with the world’s best rated international team. Absolute fraud.

 

[Stefc]

Just been reading some comments from Forest fans saying “fold the club”

 

[Drico]

Since Howard Kendall’s 2nd spell in charge, which managers or manager do you think have actually improved us from what they took over?

When I say improved I mean by the end of their spell comps to when they joined us.

I’d say there are 6 managers in the past 33ish years, so 6 of 15 permanent managers although Moyes and Kendall did double stints in that period.

Joe Royle
Walter Smith
David Moyes
Sam Allardyce
Carlo Ancelotti
Sean Dyche
And again David Moyes

Some of them are weird shouts, but you have to remember what came before. Even Ancelotti is borderline as he joined after Silva but left us in 11th with a ridiculous wage bill. Some may query Sean Dyche, but only if they forget how bad Lampard was.

Pretty accurate to me. I'd query Walter - truly it was abysmal by the last 18 months, but then he did succeed a way-past-it Kendall. Everyone else had some form of positive impact. Moyes for certain - twice. Allardyce for sure - there was a huge immediate uplift and we were safe within a month. Carlo lifted the place - if only we got him when we didn't have arsonists blowing up the club. Dyche unquestionably. People forget just how dangerously incompetent Fan-Friendly Frank was. Shudder.

And, of course, Joe took us from oblivion to glory. How that collapsed so quickly I'll never know...but, as always with Everton, you just know the ownership was at fault.

 

[Delargeinho]

He’s not fine internationally, he absolutely failed with the world’s best rated international team. Absolute fraud.

With Belgium myb, but won the nation league with portugal recently beating spain. Let‘s see how he does at the world cup, portugal has a good squad together as well.

 

[Bluepablo]

The thing with Martinez’s first season was that he showed up the management skills that Moyes was missing & that he needs to break his ceiling. A positive optimistic attitude & instilling confidence in the players & talking them up. Martínez talking Champions League, Moyes hoping for a shot at Europe.

Unfortunately Martínez was missing Moyes skill set relating to training & defensive set up.

 

[barneygumble]

The only managers who progressed us were

Joe Royle - scrappy, but good players who left all on field

David Moyes - 2002-2008. Although, id argue the year we lost to Fiorentina was the defining moment of his tenure, built the best squad of my lifetime and didnt have confidence to go for it.

Roberto Martinez - 1st season. As above he inherited Moyes Squad and attacked and we bottled top 4. After that he lost the defensive quality and we folded.

Honourable mentions

Marco Silva - had the right ideas, dont think he ever recovered from Anfield where Pickford collapsed. Still think hes got a big job in him.

Ancelotti. Took lazy players and had them believing, a polished turd is still a turd though and the second half was disgraceful.

For me, we haven't progressed, have we? When the League started we were one of the "big 5" pushing for the PL. Since then, we've been in as many relegation scraps as we have European races.

Progress is improving - and for me, the only way we will improve is by regularly qualifying for Europe, winning an occasional trophy. Until then, we're treading water.

 

[PercyPlant]

The only managers who progressed us were

Joe Royle - scrappy, but good players who left all on field

David Moyes - 2002-2008. Although, id argue the year we lost to Fiorentina was the defining moment of his tenure, built the best squad of my lifetime and didnt have confidence to go for it.

Roberto Martinez - 1st season. As above he inherited Moyes Squad and attacked and we bottled top 4. After that he lost the defensive quality and we folded.

Honourable mentions

Marco Silva - had the right ideas, dont think he ever recovered from Anfield where Pickford collapsed. Still think hes got a big job in him.

Ancelotti. Took lazy players and had them believing, a polished turd is still a turd though and the second half was disgraceful.

For me, we haven't progressed, have we? When the League started we were one of the "big 5" pushing for the PL. Since then, we've been in as many relegation scraps as we have European races.

Progress is improving - and for me, the only way we will improve is by regularly qualifying for Europe, winning an occasional trophy. Until then, we're treading water.

Roberto Martinez picked us up in 6th left us in 13th, please explain your workings.

 

[Delargeinho]

The thing with Martinez’s first season was that he showed up the management skills that Moyes was missing & that he needs to break his ceiling. A positive optimistic attitude & instilling confidence in the players & talking them up. Martínez talking Champions League, Moyes hoping for a shot at Europe.

Unfortunately Martínez was missing Moyes skill set relating to training & defensive set up.

Jep, tbf we scored 50 goals on average per season all seasons combined from 2002 to 2013. Never were the big scorers in the league.

And this will be the huge task for the next manager, keep the good defensive records of Moyes, whilst fixing our long term-problem which is scoring.

We are on 22 in 20.

 

[barneygumble]

Roberto Martinez picked us up in 6th left us in 13th, please explain your workings.

"1st Season".

I also said no one has progressed us too.