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I mean we fought for the win yesterday. We fought for the win at Stamford Bridge. Same at Old Trafford. Same at Emirates.
It has F all to do with 'winning mentality'.
Yesterday was down to a mistake and a huge slice of bad luck, and quite frankly, not putting chances away (again, which has been our main issue away at the big sides).
GraemeS1980
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To be fair it could have been 4-4 or 5-5 both teams missed chances and I remember thinking we’re riding our luck at times in the game. Anyway I’m off to write a letter to the premier league because klippety running on the pitch is a crowd safety problem and he should be hung
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IMO we were not unlucky about 0-0 till 90+ we missed sitters they missed clear chances (shaqiri, mane) it was OK, that's football, but that last freak incident is the one of the craziest i ve ever seen in recent years, that was pure luck on them but stil could be prevented by better judgement. Draw would be fair result.
hahaha! Horse punchers... That's cheered my Monday morning right up!
Spot on.
KaiserEFC
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You can blame luck all you want, but it’s just an easy get out. End of the day we haven’t outplayed Liverpool at Anfield in two decades and funnily enough we haven’t won in that time either.
We outplayed them in parts yesterday and tbf the draw would’ve been fair, but if we took those two easy chances then we wouldn’t be having a thread like this.
There’s been 35 yard own goals and spectacular volleyed own goals already this season and I remember a certain Tim Howard scoring from inside his own box. Has nothing to do with luck.
We outplayed them in parts yesterday and tbf the draw would’ve been fair, but if we took those two easy chances then we wouldn’t be having a thread like this.
There’s been 35 yard own goals and spectacular volleyed own goals already this season and I remember a certain Tim Howard scoring from inside his own box. Has nothing to do with luck.
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They will have some sort of disaster this season where their heads will fall off and we will see them for who they really are, and we will remember why we put up with events like yesterday because we are just better. #UTFT
You make your own luck
Not by replacing 2 uninjured players who could've lasted another 8 or 9 mins and changing a system that served you well
Deckard2049
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To indulge in the conversation around “luck”, the worst part is that it feel sometimes as if there is a higher power who scripts theses games and he’s most definitely a kopite. There was a stat on Twitter last night that claimed (I’m not in a mood to check it) that the RS have scored more goals after the 90th minute against us than they have any other team in the league. Off the top of my head there’s last night, Mane at Goodison, that bald Scottish fella at Goodison somehow belting in a free kick- that’s three already. Not to mention the FA cup semi final where their worst ever signing actually scored the late winner. Even when we play well the fates seem to conspire against us...
However this is exactly why Pickford’s comments yesterday have rightly got some people so riled up. It’s one thing for us to bemoan our misfortune on an Internet forum and curse the stars- it’s something entirely different for a player to actually come out and address such a thing and seemingly give it credence. They need to have a totally different mentality and his comments yesterday almost confirmed something which I think a lot of us fear about these games and that is that the mentality and attitude is a defeatist one even before kick off.
Now there’s no way that all the players went in with this attitude and the manager certainly didn’t, but for your goalkeeper, a very highly regarded goalkeeper and one of the dressing room and on field leaders, to say what he did post match- it simply isn’t on. It creates a narrative where no matter how well we play we will never win, and that is damaging and dangerous but mostly it isn’t logical. Objectively and rationally we played well yesterday but didn’t take our chances and it cost us after a player made a horrendous error with us having no time to respond. Simple as that.
All yesterday proves is that you can’t turn up once after years of ineptitude and expect to get what you “deserve”- especially when you don’t take your chances.
Kenshin
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Yes mate.
That's why we lose semi finals and derbies and other teams who won trophies don't.
Balls to it being not our day mentality neither. We have had 19 years of not our day mentality then, or 24 years of not our day when it comes to winning trophies.
It's excuses and grasping on to anything you can. There is only one reason why Liverpool score a flukey last minute goal and we don't, the same as the last 19 years.
It's mentality, the knife to a gunfight, point is a good result , Liverpool are better than us attitude that is standard now.
We were better yesterday than we have been for 5 years (3-3). Means nothing though does it?
We went there with a mentality to win yesterday though...
Just because we missed two sitters doesn't mean we went there for a draw?
The 'winning mentality' argument has been done to death and means nothing. Players have to put chances away.
johnjoeefc
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I would like to think that we would have got promoted back to the prem by now so surely our luck should have reenergised.
Kenshin
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You don't change mentality in 10 games mate neither. You don't just turn up and completely change 16 years of losing mentality since Moyes arrived in a few months .
We have the players to potentially change this mindset but you tell a team over 16 years that we are the underdogs and eventually it sticks and we lose finals , semi finals etc.
All we had to do was not concede against city. All we had to do was score Vs united. All we had to do was contain Liverpool. All we had to do is finish Chelsea, or go at them with their 10 men.
All we ever have to do, yet we don't? We only ever had to take chances ever, why don't we then time and time again?
kiss the crest
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Gomes scores yesterday and it’s a different game, as others have said we need to put chances away.
The higher up you go this becomes more apparent
The higher up you go this becomes more apparent
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