What if Russia didn't invade Ukraine?

[Bryan+]

Won't somebody please think of the FC Schalke 04 fans?

FFS, you're supposed to moderate this!

 

[Yarrgh]

We'd have been sold to a Chinese mega conglomerate and the Chinese would then have invaded Taiwan and we'd have gotten a 10 points deduction because of that somehow. But at least we didn't have the stadium painted red because that's a lucky colour.

 

[Goat]

Great thread to rattle out the virtue signallers from the woodwork, chatting as if you caused the war or have even ignored the terrible suffering if it just by asking a tangential question. Bravo!

What if Hitler had been well regarded as an artist and stuck to that though. Should we blame ww2 on some random art critic who affected his self esteem? Could that same art critic be blamed for our title winning team if the late 30s not going on to create a lasting dominance?

Too many butterflies wings flapping about here to really speculate with any conviction.

He asked for thoughts and that is my only thought.

Call it virtue signaling if you like.

But its the only thought I have.

I dont tend to look back and think what if, thats no way to live, we are human, we make mistakes. Look forward not back.

 

[BullensRoad]

Like it or not, that new stadium at the docks is down to USM investment.

Thanks Dave I agree. Not sure why I'm getting grief over this thread. I thought it was an interesting discussion.

 

[Eggs]

 

[MikeH72]

We'd be able to boo mykolenko without feeling guilty.

Remember when we had to stop the sirens for a bit because it might scare him?

 

[BullensRoad]

Great thread to rattle out the virtue signallers from the woodwork, chatting as if you caused the war or have even ignored the terrible suffering if it just by asking a tangential question. Bravo!

What if Hitler had been well regarded as an artist and stuck to that though. Should we blame ww2 on some random art critic who affected his self esteem? Could that same art critic be blamed for our title winning team if the late 30s not going on to create a lasting dominance?

Too many butterflies wings flapping about here to really speculate with any conviction.

Thanks Chris. It's very easy for people to just ignore but instead derail a thread with brain rot virtue signalling.

The stadium happened because of Usmanov, I was interested to see what could have happened in the long term, as he was more wealthy than Abramovic.

 

[chrismpw]

Thanks Chris. It's very easy for people to just ignore but instead derail a thread with brain rot virtue signalling.

The stadium happened because of Usmanov, I was interested to see what could have happened in the long term, as he was more wealthy than Abramovic.

More money but certainly less well managed and terrible direction, compared with how it "appears" now.

Our (the club's) money - between the corrupt vast acquisition of state wealth probably through menaces in Russia, or the cold dead shark eyes of US capitalism ... what a choice.

I'd rather all the clubs be amateur at this stage, fan owned and tickets cost a couple if quid for upkeep. Well bored of the modern product.

 

[BullensRoad]

Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, we were already screwed before that - the previous Summer we could only spend £1.7m on Townsend and Gray.

More money but certainly less well managed and terrible direction, compared with how it "appears" now.

Our (the club's) money - between the corrupt vast acquisition of state wealth probably through menaces in Russia, or the cold dead shark eyes of US capitalism ... what a choice.

I'd rather all the clubs be amateur at this stage, fan owned and tickets cost a couple if quid for upkeep. Well bored of the modern product.

Good point, sadly we're not commercially viable to be fan run like Bayern (I think?).

Was always mad seeing Megafon, USM and Barretta on the clubs facilities. Even angry birds as a sleeve sponsor was through one of Usmanovs businesses.

 

[BullensRoad]

He asked for thoughts and that is my only thought.

Call it virtue signaling if you like.

But its the only thought I have.

I dont tend to look back and think what if, thats no way to live, we are human, we make mistakes. Look forward not back.

Let's be honest. You tried to take a moral high ground as you've got an issue with me. It's very tiring.

 

[Tommy Chong]

We might be one place higher in the league, unbelievably unlucky (once again)

 

[Tommy Chong]

What if, what if, what if?!

Abramovich would probably still own Chelsea…

And Zelenskyy would still look like a young whippersnapper and not like he’s aged 3 decades in the last 3 years.

That’s what.

 

[davek]

Thanks Dave I agree. Not sure why I'm getting grief over this thread. I thought it was an interesting discussion.

I didn't read anything controversial into it.

There's been plenty of discussion down the years of Everton winning titles prior to the 1st and 2nd world wars breaking out and wondering "what if...".

It was just a post to stimulate a counter-factual debate.

 

[Timbucktoo]

Interested to hear what everyone's thoughts are if it didn't happen.

Our sponsorship income would have been massive, we wouldn't have had the points deductions. Probably one of the biggest stadium sponsorship deals in the world.

Would we have just kept on buying over priced players with the soviet money? Or would have Kenwrights death unleashed something more ambitious?

Very interested to hear people's thoughts.

Basically we`d have had even more cash to waste on bang average players on mega contracts. Putin probably did us a favour.

 

[Vaughan]