What do we require from our manager / football team?

[Blues Harp]

To win

.....a Trophy, for a start.

 

[Izzy1878]

Pashan, detarminayshon and desiya. Also one with a proven track record preferably winning the werld cup, champomon league, ropey league and milk cup.

 

[Axlswhk]

Anyone who doesn’t mumble, plays counter and get rid of Schneiderlfraud the moment he step into finch farm will do just fine.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

A stream for tonight would be a start

 

[Seathestars]

Quite a few musings re: Jose Mourinho (spelling?) within the Marco Silva thread which offer some interesting debates regarding what we require from our manager.

The honourable member (said in Bercow's voice) @mikeh72 wants a Klopp-like manager. Horse Head over the park had a very good CV albeit in a league where the challengers are a shallow pool. He also got Dortmund to a European cup final though which is a fantastic achievement.

He's gone to that shower and inherited a sub-par squad and made them better. Much better. The one thing that can't be argued though about that gang of [insert expletive here] is the club is used to winning. Doesn't matter if it's a league cup here or there, an FA Cup or a European Cup. Christ, they even won a trophy with Dalglish a few years ago didn't they?

The point i'm making is, how would he do inheriting a side of actual losers. Sounds harsh but who have we got who actually has a pedigree for winning? Even after spending a chunk of our majority shareholder's cash.

Gomes?
Digne?
Bernard?

It's a handful at best.

We don't have a mentality within the squad to be successful. We need someone, i'd argue, to bring that mentality.

Onto my good friend @Saint Domingo with his discussion of Jose. Won things literally everywhere he's been. Even won competitions with a Utd team that is as bad as I can remember in all the years watching footy. Isn't that what we need? He's even won major trophies with Porto!

To me, it's a no brainer. Yes it'll end horrendously when he calls out the lack of length (???) in Pickford's arms or calls us a small club at a press conference. But he'd surely give us the best chance of actually winning? Of getting used to winning? If our players can't be inspired by Jose, they should just pack up now.

Others on here may say we need someone to bring good football (Howe). Someone who gets us (Ferguson / Arteta). Pragmatism and steel (Moyes)?

The major point is perhaps, as a fanbase overall we don't know what we want. And that inconsistency is mirrored on the pitch, in the recruitment department...it's riddled throughout the club.

For what it's worth, I just want an identity. To me it should be one based on aggressiveness without the ball and fluidity on it. It's why I like Silva. But results like Newcastle away last season and Sheffield Utd this season make me question whether he can bring consistency to a club which still, a few years now after Moshiri came, feels like it's still in chaos.

Thoughts?

I agree, I would bite your arm off for the special one.

One thing that really got to me on Saturday was the welcome they got when they came out for the game.
They had basically downed tools at Bournemouth yet came back to Goodison to a heroes welcome.
The whole mentality needs to change

 

[Billysgingham.]

....to be no1 side in our city. The rest will look after itself.

that won't happen in my lifetime.

 

[john jako]

It really is that simple, plus it would shut @Frank. up

A perma ban would be more suffice.

 

[Eggs]

that won't happen in my lifetime.

...it happened from nowhere in the mid-80s but circumstances transpired to make it temporary. It has to be an ambition.

 

[Billysgingham.]

...it happened from nowhere in the mid-80s but circumstances transpired to make it temporary. It has to be an ambition.

It's a dream mate, I hope it happens for my lads but I don't think it will happen in the next 15 years.

 

[magicjuan]

To come across like they're actually arsed, maybe joining in with the boos from time to time and throwing a random cushion on to the pitch....

 

[COYBL25]

A perma ban would be more suffice.

Good things come to those wait.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Quite a few musings re: Jose Mourinho (spelling?) within the Marco Silva thread which offer some interesting debates regarding what we require from our manager.

The honourable member (said in Bercow's voice) @mikeh72 wants a Klopp-like manager. Horse Head over the park had a very good CV albeit in a league where the challengers are a shallow pool. He also got Dortmund to a European cup final though which is a fantastic achievement.

He's gone to that shower and inherited a sub-par squad and made them better. Much better. The one thing that can't be argued though about that gang of [insert expletive here] is the club is used to winning. Doesn't matter if it's a league cup here or there, an FA Cup or a European Cup. Christ, they even won a trophy with Dalglish a few years ago didn't they?

The point i'm making is, how would he do inheriting a side of actual losers. Sounds harsh but who have we got who actually has a pedigree for winning? Even after spending a chunk of our majority shareholder's cash.

Gomes?
Digne?
Bernard?

It's a handful at best.

We don't have a mentality within the squad to be successful. We need someone, i'd argue, to bring that mentality.

Onto my good friend @Saint Domingo with his discussion of Jose. Won things literally everywhere he's been. Even won competitions with a Utd team that is as bad as I can remember in all the years watching footy. Isn't that what we need? He's even won major trophies with Porto!

To me, it's a no brainer. Yes it'll end horrendously when he calls out the lack of length (???) in Pickford's arms or calls us a small club at a press conference. But he'd surely give us the best chance of actually winning? Of getting used to winning? If our players can't be inspired by Jose, they should just pack up now.

Others on here may say we need someone to bring good football (Howe). Someone who gets us (Ferguson / Arteta). Pragmatism and steel (Moyes)?

The major point is perhaps, as a fanbase overall we don't know what we want. And that inconsistency is mirrored on the pitch, in the recruitment department...it's riddled throughout the club.

For what it's worth, I just want an identity. To me it should be one based on aggressiveness without the ball and fluidity on it. It's why I like Silva. But results like Newcastle away last season and Sheffield Utd this season make me question whether he can bring consistency to a club which still, a few years now after Moshiri came, feels like it's still in chaos.

Thoughts?

We agree. I’m shook.

 

[Igrok]

Be able to motivate lazy millionaires for a start...

 

[mikey 62]

I am still backing Silva all be it at my peril , still feel he needs more time

But if it comes to a new Manager its not just a new manager but a clear out , he brings in his whole team

 

[alvinh]

Quite a few musings re: Jose Mourinho (spelling?) within the Marco Silva thread which offer some interesting debates regarding what we require from our manager.

The honourable member (said in Bercow's voice) @mikeh72 wants a Klopp-like manager. Horse Head over the park had a very good CV albeit in a league where the challengers are a shallow pool. He also got Dortmund to a European cup final though which is a fantastic achievement.

He's gone to that shower and inherited a sub-par squad and made them better. Much better. The one thing that can't be argued though about that gang of [insert expletive here] is the club is used to winning. Doesn't matter if it's a league cup here or there, an FA Cup or a European Cup. Christ, they even won a trophy with Dalglish a few years ago didn't they?

The point i'm making is, how would he do inheriting a side of actual losers. Sounds harsh but who have we got who actually has a pedigree for winning? Even after spending a chunk of our majority shareholder's cash.

Gomes?
Digne?
Bernard?

It's a handful at best.

We don't have a mentality within the squad to be successful. We need someone, i'd argue, to bring that mentality.

Onto my good friend @Saint Domingo with his discussion of Jose. Won things literally everywhere he's been. Even won competitions with a Utd team that is as bad as I can remember in all the years watching footy. Isn't that what we need? He's even won major trophies with Porto!

To me, it's a no brainer. Yes it'll end horrendously when he calls out the lack of length (???) in Pickford's arms or calls us a small club at a press conference. But he'd surely give us the best chance of actually winning? Of getting used to winning? If our players can't be inspired by Jose, they should just pack up now.

Others on here may say we need someone to bring good football (Howe). Someone who gets us (Ferguson / Arteta). Pragmatism and steel (Moyes)?

The major point is perhaps, as a fanbase overall we don't know what we want. And that inconsistency is mirrored on the pitch, in the recruitment department...it's riddled throughout the club.

For what it's worth, I just want an identity. To me it should be one based on aggressiveness without the ball and fluidity on it. It's why I like Silva. But results like Newcastle away last season and Sheffield Utd this season make me question whether he can bring consistency to a club which still, a few years now after Moshiri came, feels like it's still in chaos.

Thoughts?

I think your argument is flawed. You look at Klopp's appointment at Dortmund, downplay his acheivements as success in a 'shallow pool' and say "how would he do inheriting a side of actual losers" when that's precisely the reason Dortmund appointed him. He didn't just appear out of a vacuum, he earned his rep performing minor miracles at Mainz. In other words, Dortmund a 'big club' down on its luck looked down the division to find someone doing a great job at a lower level and asked him to step up, the rest being history. He takes them to the title and the CL final and yes he brings a winning mentality despite humble origins.

Then you say that it's a no brainer to appoint Jose Mourinho a man who has NEVER taken on a club in a position comparable to ours, unless you count one season at Leiria in Portugal. He's consistently been at the first or second biggest spenders in each league, he's demanded massive investment in players, he seems to have a problem sustaining success into a third season and he's also got a nasty habit of leaving behind a car crash. Finally, he's just been expensively paid off from the biggest club in the world who are 30 miles or so up the road and he refused to even live there.

I don't get the blind spot so many have for him. Honestly, look at the club, look at the position with financial fair play, look at the demands of the new stadium. In what universe is Mourinho a rational appointment? The board should be looking for the next Klopp or Pep. Someone who has ambitions which could be met at Goodison. Someone who has a reputation for improving existing players and youth as well as getting in new ones via the chequebook, because the money is simply not available to sell everyone and start again.