We are on the road

[evertony]

Spot on @matty1878
We have been crap and flirting with relegation for a few years now, yet just 13 games into the season some people are moaning because we are not in the European places.
To provide some perspective - we have more points at this stage (13 games in) than we've had since we had that miraculous start to the season under Carlo Ancelotti.
Now don't get me wrong, we are still very poor and there's reasons to expect that we should be able to turn things around much faster, BUT there IS progress.
That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

There is progress and there is progress. Are we better than last season in total…I’d say yes, but not by significant margins. Are we better on the eye than last year…..again, I’d say yes, but only in a few games whilst in others we’ve been as bad as previous.

Is the level of progress enough to even keep pace with the likes of Villa, Newcastle, Spurs and even Brighton and Bournemouth? I don’t think so personally. If we don’t keep pace with them we effectively get left further behind and that really isn’t progress.

I would have concern giving Moyes another summer transfer kitty as I don’t believe he’s the manager to take us into next season. I’d shake his hand, thank him for his services and move on.

 

[evertony]

No it's something Moyes has done all his career - it's why I didnt want him back, nor advocate him long term.

Mentality and belief is massive in the game - he puts his own ego and self PR ahead of every club. He downplays expectations at every turn - he rehashed knife to a gunfight continually and it breeds a mentality of club captain Phil Neville "be thankful of what you have midtable is great for a club like Everton"

He knew what new owners and fans needed to hear last season and in the summer talking up Europe, but as soon as his feet is under the table it's normal service resumed.

Me? I wouldn't sack him now. I wouldn't if we lose the next 5.

But I'll raise a drink when he leaves - hopefully the day after the final home game.

My position entirely.

 

[paultheblue]

No it's something Moyes has done all his career - it's why I didnt want him back, nor advocate him long term.

Mentality and belief is massive in the game - he puts his own ego and self PR ahead of every club. He downplays expectations at every turn - he rehashed knife to a gunfight continually and it breeds a mentality of club captain Phil Neville "be thankful of what you have midtable is great for a club like Everton"

He knew what new owners and fans needed to hear last season and in the summer talking up Europe, but as soon as his feet is under the table it's normal service resumed.

Me? I wouldn't sack him now. I wouldn't if we lose the next 5.

But I'll raise a drink when he leaves - hopefully the day after the final home game.

I agree with everything you except you wouldnt sack him even if he lost the next 5 .
If that happened that would include losing the 5th game to Burnley and would most likely have us in the bottom 3 and surely he would have to go.
People say he is a safe pair of hands but i doubt Sunderland fans would agree as when he was with them he talked about relegation before a ball was kicked.
David Moyes never accepts that the blame lies with him and in his own mind he is a far better manager than
HIs true statistics tell us , he is not the man to take us back to the top table.

 

[Clarky cat]

Evertonian Liberation Day.

May 12th 2013?

 

[If You Know Your History]

Agreed. We have one of the best and potentially most intimidating
stadiums in the league (if half of us didn't leave at half-time) and we are no longer battling relegation perennially.

 

[Kurt.]

we just are way of were US fans want to be. we DONT KNOW WHAT TFG expect or “think” etc before people start with it

it’s a huge turnover off and on the field

( one window ONE )

it’s not going to happen overnight

now clearly there is massive issues
squad recruitment, players needed
players who should be playing players
who need throwing to the lions.

all that is moyes/DOF/who ever does all that side of it.

the negativity really has been lunacy in my opinion.

you’d think we have moshri still selling everyone and still at goodison

it’s a long way to go.

ride it out lads it’s not like we haven’t
for 30 odd years

We’re like Max and Paddy

 

[JLW]

30+ years without a trophy, he was the manager for a lot of it.

I've done my waiting on David Moyes - he just spent a club record amount before factoring in record wages on a £100m player in Grealish and he's still banging the drum that conceding 4 at home to Newcastle is expected.

He'll never bring the mentality we need.

Name another top 10 team in the league who would of had over a decade of winning nothing an then decide to bring the same man back for a rebuild.

This summer we need to thank him and move on.

Nothing personal Davey, I just want to have some hope.

This.

He was brought in to not have us in a relegation battle.
If we finish around 10th-11th then he has done the job he was brought in to do.

His consistency at being inconsistent is kin annoying, it literally doesn't matter what the fixtures are, we know we aren't going to win 5-6 games on the bounce, even if we had the bottom 5 teams in consecutive home games we still wouldn't do it with Moyes.
He finds a way how to do the unexpected from both ends of the spectrum, Man Utd and Newcastle being a prime example.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I agree with everything you except you wouldnt sack him even if he lost the next 5 .
If that happened that would include losing the 5th game to Burnley and would most likely have us in the bottom 3 and surely he would have to go.
People say he is a safe pair of hands but i doubt Sunderland fans would agree as when he was with them he talked about relegation before a ball was kicked.
David Moyes never accepts that the blame lies with him and in his own mind he is a far better manager than
HIs true statistics tell us , he is not the man to take us back to the top table.

My point really was short term form doesn't sway my opinion. Equally, win the next 5 and I'd have the same view.

We won't go down this season, so changing a manager should be the summer but we're the type of club that only makes that change when we're desperate/backs to the wall - even Koeman, Silva etc were all sacked with us in the bottom 3.

 

[kev]

My point really was short term form doesn't sway my opinion. Equally, win the next 5 and I'd have the same view.

We won't go down this season, so changing a manager should be the summer but we're the type of club that only makes that change when we're desperate/backs to the wall - even Koeman, Silva etc were all sacked with us in the bottom 3.

Exactly this. We need to stop sacking managers 'reactively'
Any change of manager should be a proactive process. Hopefully the board has a clear vision of the type of manager it wants and should already have several 'potential' future managers identifed.
Sacking someone based purely on a run of bad results/performances is utter madness when you then have to scrabble around to see who there is that is both available and willing to come here.

 

[matty1878]

My point really was short term form doesn't sway my opinion. Equally, win the next 5 and I'd have the same view.

We won't go down this season, so changing a manager should be the summer but we're the type of club that only makes that change when we're desperate/backs to the wall - even Koeman, Silva etc were all sacked with us in the bottom 3.

well we “don’t know what type of club we will be yet” under TFG

but i agree

 

[paultheblue]

My point really was short term form doesn't sway my opinion. Equally, win the next 5 and I'd have the same view.

We won't go down this season, so changing a manager should be the summer but we're the type of club that only makes that change when we're desperate/backs to the wall - even Koeman, Silva etc were all sacked with us in the bottom 3.

The assumption that we wont go down because we have Moyes worries me.
I agree that is unlikely but we can easily be pulled into another dogfight and need to be aware of it.
I would hope that we are already looking for a replacement at the end of the season rather than a knee jerk reaction anytime soon.

 

[Alan Whittle]

I am always reminded of this chap at times like these. He was a character in the 1970's TV series "Survivors" , set in a devastated post nuclear world, this guy would appear periodically with his stock pronouncement of "The Yanks'll fix us up, you'll see boy" in his broad welsh accent.

 

[Titus Bramble]

I asked ChatGPT to pull a few numbers for me, regarding Everton points tallies over the last 10 years after 5, 10 and 13 games of the season (of course there is the whacking great caveat of the points deduction for the 23/24 season):

	5 games	10 games	13 games	Final
25/26	7	12	18	N/A
24/25	1	9	11	48
23/24	1	9	4	40
22/23	3	10	14	36
21/22	10	14	15	39
20/21	13	16	23	59
19/20	7	10	14	49
18/19	6	15	22	54
17/18	4	8	12	49
16/17	13	18	19	61

Points wise, we're better off now than we have been in the 4 previous seasons, and there's only 3 seasons going back to the 16/17 seasons where we had more points at this stage of the season than we do now.

It's not great, it's not terrible. Lot's of strengthening needed over the next couple of transfer windows which we're all well aware of but we're doing alright in my opinion. We're as close to Man City in 2nd as we are to West Ham in 17th so the table isn't necessarily telling the full picture at the moment - it's all very congested for the most part.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

well we “don’t know what type of club we will be yet” under TFG

but i agree

Long before they took over i kept saying on here judge any owners on actions, not words. Coincidentally it was in the first two sentences of their chairmans takeover statement.

Retaining a manager they wouldnt have appointed in the summer is one such action. In my view, TFG were hoping Dyche would get us until the summer to make an appointment.

I also said when Ranieri went to Roma that if Dyche leaves, Moyes comes here.

The assumption that we wont go down because we have Moyes worries me.
I agree that is unlikely but we can easily be pulled into another dogfight and need to be aware of it.
I would hope that we are already looking for a replacement at the end of the season rather than a knee jerk reaction anytime soon.

Its not solely on Moyes mate, its our squad. Opta have us as 2% chance of going down for good reason.

As i keep saying we earned the points to finish closer to europe than relegation the past 2 seasons, after then spending a record club spend and having the likes of grealish over harrison and dewsbury-hall over doucoure, we should be nowhere near bottom 3.

 

[heatmeiser]

we just are way of were US fans want to be

I agree with you there mate