VAR

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Still early days

This is the first World Cup to use it, of course there's going to be kinks to iron out

The anti-VAR brigade will just never give it a chance

 

[BlueToff]

I had the misfortune of writing the Portugal match report last night.

Let me tell you, when something is written and ready to be published and then something like this happens, it's not enjoyable.

Anyway...

VAR. It's not the problem. It is simply a tool to use to help make the right call. The issue in games like last night was the ref lost his head and was going to the screen for everything.

The system isn't the issue. It's the way it is currently being used by 'trigger happy' officials who are almost taking the responsibility out of their hands.

 

[BlueToff]

It's a bollocks system. Major refereeing howlers were less thin on the ground than under this nonsense.

It's to create controversy only. As said above it's the Sky generation + media world's long held objective to turn football into a circus sideshow.

Well done, they've got their way.

Carlos Queiroz spoke really well on the subject last night Dave.

He also mentioned he'd been behind VAR for 20 years - so no, it's not the 'Sky generation' at all.

It was needed. What wasn't needed was the confusion over how it should be used.

In Rugby League/Union, it is used very well. Quickly and easily when the referee calls for it.

I acknowledge that football's free-flowing nature means it can't be replicated exactly how it is used in Rugby.

But it's not the system or technology (which is simply a video replay) which has made any howlers. It is still the officials who are making those calls.

 

[davek]

Clive Thomas? 66 World Cup final? There has always been a circus sideshow, all this is doing is offering a solution. Goal line techknowledgey was sketchy at first, now its a none issue, VAR will be soon. Only weird thing is the trial is on the biggest stage of them all

Goal line technology was non-controversial. VAR is taking the decision making to a bank of people who form a committee and who are prone to making political decisions over who wins what match.

It's sinister. The whole world now sees it and it has to go.

 

[davek]

Carlos Queiroz spoke really well on the subject last night Dave.

He also mentioned he'd been behind VAR for 20 years - so no, it's not the 'Sky generation' at all.

It was needed. What wasn't needed was the confusion over how it should be used.

In Rugby League/Union, it is used very well. Quickly and easily when the referee calls for it.

I acknowledge that football's free-flowing nature means it can't be replicated exactly how it is used in Rugby.

But it's not the system or technology (which is simply a video replay) which has made any howlers. It is still the officials who are making those calls.

The RFL/RFU/World Rugby are not UEFA/FIFA who have previous for corruption.

 

[davek]

Remember Maradona? Hand of God? A just win for a team, definitely not a cheated one. Endless examples of this, and we, as Evertonians, should know what decisions going against you mean.

It's literally created 0 controversy and instead resolved any controversy in this world cup, bar today. Unless by "controversy" you mean "actually reverted wrong decisions and given right ones", in which case it's controversial AF.

The World Cup is effectively over now. No one is taking this competition seriously anymore. There are bound to be a lot more sinister decisions in the next rounds of matches and the game has fallen into disrepute. The WC of 2018 has been hijacked by dark forces and its outcome will lack credibility for all time.

 

[davek]

You really are only happy when you are angry aren't you.

How is your blood pressure these days? When was your last physical? I would go get a look over as these levels of stress and fume must be getting to you. 12+ years (the GOT era/TFW, I am sure many more prior to that...) can't be good for you mate.

A1. *taps wood*

 

[boris]

I’m really starting to like the VAR. I think it’s adding to the spectacle, in most games it’s worked really well, it’s been much better than when we used it in the FA cup. It will only improve in time and it won’t be long before all the grappling, diving etc stops as players realise they won’t get away with it which will lead to much more attacking football.

I wasn’t for it originally but I definitely am now. I really like it.

 

[davek]

I’m really starting to like the VAR. I think it’s adding to the spectacle, in most games it’s worked really well, it’s been much better than when we used it in the FA cup. It will only improve in time and it won’t be long before all the grappling, diving etc stops as players realise they won’t get away with it which will lead to much more attacking football.

I wasn’t for it originally but I definitely am now. I really like it.

Attitude to that wll move in trends (sometimes there will be a crackdown on that particular offence, others not) and differently assessed across different leagues due to varying issues in each national game. It wont ever be consistent. There are too many variables.

It's a dogs breakfast of a system and it's still and always will be down to human interpretation of laws....and in VAR's case multiple human interpretations which make a consistent outcome impossible.

It's much worse than having refs making the odd blunder. Much worse.

 

[Pootsy]

VAR has certainly added a sense of suspense to this World Cup but, as with most new technologies, it does need to be used more sparingly. The players should not be allowed to surround the ref for a start to request that a decision be reviewed. I'm certain however that they will iron out the foibles with the system over the next season or two.

 

[boris]

Attitude to that wll move in trends (sometimes there will be a crackdown on that particular offence, others not) and differently assessed across different leagues due to varying issues in each national game. It wont ever be consistent. There are too many variables.

It's a dogs breakfast of a system and it's still and always will be down to human interpretation of laws....and in VAR's case multiple human interpretations which make a consistent outcome impossible.

It's much worse than having refs making the odd blunder. Much worse.

I don’t think there particularly targeting grappling or diving it’s just an absolute farce that they’ve been allowed to get away with it for so long that the players are playing right into VAR’s hands as they aren’t yet used to it. It’ll stop very quickly now I reckon if this is expanded out.

There’s been the odd incident missed but 99% of the time we’ve had far more decisions correct because of it than we would have, if it hadn’t been in play.

I can see us looking back in years to come wondering how we managed with out it, a bit like the back pass rule.

VAR has certainly added a sense of suspense to this World Cup but, as with most new technologies, it does need to be used more sparingly. The players should not be allowed to surround the ref for a start to request that a decision be reviewed. I'm certain however that they will iron out the foibles with the system over the next season or two.

Surely any contentious key decision should be reviewed and it’ll just become accepted, the process itself will speed up and people will get used to it.

I haven’t read this thread, I’m sure it will have been mentioned but the commentator said last night in the Spanish game that VAR ruined it in the end.

That couldn’t be further from the truth. VAR ensured we got the correct decision and that’s far better for me.

 

[Papa Shango]

I don't like it at all. Mainly because I think controversy and contentious issues are a big part of what makes football what it is.

Also cant be bothered with knobhead footballers playing charades every time something happens with their little TV hand signals.

And still, it's really inconsistent both in usage and results. The Ronaldo thing last night was mad. I don't think he did anything wrong personally but if the ref deemed him to have swung his arm then its a red card. There is no point having the system in place if there rules are then interpreted in different ways.

 

[blue61]

I don't like it at all. Mainly because I think controversy and contentious issues are a big part of what makes football what it is.

Also cant be bothered with knobhead footballers playing charades every time something happens with their little TV hand signals.

And still, it's really inconsistent both in usage and results. The Ronaldo thing last night was mad. I don't think he did anything wrong personally but if the ref deemed him to have swung his arm then its a red card. There is no point having the system in place if there rules are then interpreted in different ways.

Agree with every word . I'd rather they used the technology they have to punish players retrospectively. Football at it's best is a flowing game, VAR at it's worst, just sucks the life out of the game. Someone with an agenda would still rule out Bryan Hamiltons goal against the trophy dodgers if it suited the politics. Leave it as it is.

 

[BlueToff]

The RFL/RFU/World Rugby are not UEFA/FIFA who have previous for corruption.

The RFL is pretty corrupt Dave

Not FIFA levels, obviously, but not much is

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

Don't like it at all. Introduces more problems than it solves.