Usmanov

[matty1878]

I want this to be true but let’s be honest. 4 years on and we’re not spending Chelsea or Man City money. mosh is a generous owner and able to call in favours. Mega money is not happening

CA has been lured here for free transfers

 

[Zatara]

Usmanovs current net worth: $15.6 billion
Moshiri: $2.5 billion

Between them thats alot of dough.

Dont forget the S in that, Skotch, 8bn or so.

Also factor in, to paraphrase Forbes that is their official wealth, their unofficial wealth likely to be much higher.

Add 30% to those numbers...conservatively.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

We aren't though, which is an actual, legal fact.

matty has had his legal team all over it orly, and we are in fact owned by Usmanov.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

CA has been lured here for free transfers

I think the £11.5m a year contract making him the third highest paid manager in the prem behind Pep and Mourinho may have been a bit of a lure matty.

 

[matty1878]

I think the £11.5m a year contract making him the third highest paid manager in the prem behind Pep and Mourinho may have been a bit of a lure matty.

Na mate meeting usmanov tells me all I need to know

 

[tirion]

Na mate meeting usmanov tells me all I need to know

what does it tell you Matty?

 

[matty1878]

what does it tell you Matty?

It tells you he’s come to make us great

 

[Darth Toffeeman]

If we're just a tool for their influence is it a worry they could 1 day rinse us and bin us off?

That will depend on whether the premier League continues to be the most globally attractive and marketable property that this country has.
There is a reason the powers that be were hell bent on finishing this farce of a season. This is the biggest money making property that the UK has.

USM have invested in Everton in the hope of turning the club into a globally competitive club, whilst having big plans to take control of the Liverpool waters project. There is opportunities to take their businesses to untapped markets, and having a successful football club as a marketing vehicle would be huge.

I expect to see big improvements in the next 12 months. Confirmation of the stadium, and the building of a side to challenge the RS and Manchester City.
It has to happen asap, and the ruling in favour of Manchester City is only a good thing for the club as we approach a pivotal transfer window.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Na mate meeting usmanov tells me all I need to know

Did you get to meet him on his yacht matty?

 

[matty1878]

Did you get to meet him on his yacht matty?

I swam past

 

[Brisan123]

I don't know if you had the chance to look at the report from the British state about Russian influence. There was a passage that stated how Russian oligarchs are using UK companies to wash money in exchange for influence. They also stated that accountants (amongst others) were actively facilating that process and giving cover. The insinuation was that pretty much every oligarch operating in this country was doing so in alliance with the say so of Putin, and loosely following his instructions.

I don't really knw what the bigger picture is, why they may want a PL club etc but if the report is even remotely true, there's no doubt there is a bigger game going on here. If a bigger game is going on, they will not be worried about how profitable or not Everton are.We are merely a vessel for a bigger purpose.

Ancelotti met Usmanov, then took the job. The entire board may be working to plan A, Moshiri may be working to plan A, but it could be likely that if wanted Usmanov gives a plan B. There's no doubt to me, whatever the public pretence, the actuality is Ancelotti works into Usmanov, thats who he saw before the job and thats who he will be answerable too.

In my uninformed opinion the docks are the bigger purpose.
However Usmanov is a sports fan and may want the ego boost owning a PL club may give him
Putting 2 fingers up to Kronke may be another smaller factor

 

[matty1878]

That will depend on whether the premier League continues to be the most globally attractive and marketable property that this country has.
There is a reason the powers that be were hell bent on finishing this farce of a season. This is the biggest money making property that the UK has.

USM have invested in Everton in the hope of turning the club into a globally competitive club, whilst having big plans to take control of the Liverpool waters project. There is opportunities to take their businesses to untapped markets, and having a successful football club as a marketing vehicle would be huge.

I expect to see big improvements in the next 12 months. Confirmation of the stadium, and the building of a side to challenge the RS and Manchester City.
It has to happen asap, and the ruling in favour of Manchester City is only a good thing for the club as we approach a pivotal transfer window.

 

[catcherintherye]

In my uninformed opinion the docks are the bigger purpose.
However Usmanov is a sports fan and may want the ego boost owning a PL club may give him
Putting 2 fingers up to Kronke may be another smaller factor

The docks are important for sure.

It's diffcult for me to say to much, as none of us want a legal case, so this is purely hypothetical. However, if you had lots of money that is made illicitly, and also a portion of your legitimate money is also made dubiously then real estate projects are a brillaint way to "launder" your cash. The assets will grow in value (unlike with msot things such as cars) and there are all sorts of tax implications that are beneficial if you do that. To me it's no surprise, that almost from day 1 the focus was buiolding a stadium, and building a stadium in an area of a city that with investment could grow in value massively.

I watched a Mafia show recently on Netflix, and they essentially charged a % on any building in that area once it was done. Again I have absolutely no evidence to suggest that could happen here, but if it happens in New York for decades, it could happen here.You may not have your name on any of the documents, but any future buildings in and around that area could pay you a fee to help with planning permission etc.

What we know, is that Russian money fits the criteria above, according to the British state in almost all cases. So the hat fits a bit.

I don't think they care about turning a conventional profit at all. They are trying to gain influence and potentially recycle money, which football and buildings are great for (potentially/allegedly).

I've said a few times, I remember sitting in a casino(s) whenI was younger. I was a decent poker player and could count cards with Blackjack. I'd go in with say 400-500 and hopefully double it. Nothing major, it would take a few hours, but when you're a student or just started work it's good money. Eastern European (and often Russian) guys would come and play at the table. They would at times bet hundreds of pounds per hand. Ive seen them go through 5-10k in an hour, and just go back to the ATM in the casino and go and withdraw another 5-10k and start again. This was in a run down, poor partof the country and was astonishing really.

It's just washing money. Just dding another layer of complexity for the authorities. They didn't mind that they lost overall, maybe 10-15% of their overall money, it ws just an accepted fee to have new notes/money. They just pay in a big win and it will show up as a from a company that owns the Casino, which will have a registered UK address and their fine to go.

What you see Oligrarchs do on a big sale, in the UK is that. I have no idea what Moshiri/Usmanov are doing, but it would be more strange if they weren't doing this, than if they were.

 

[Brisan123]

The docks are important for sure.

It's diffcult for me to say to much, as none of us want a legal case, so this is purely hypothetical. However, if you had lots of money that is made illicitly, and also a portion of your legitimate money is also made dubiously then real estate projects are a brillaint way to "launder" your cash. The assets will grow in value (unlike with msot things such as cars) and there are all sorts of tax implications that are beneficial if you do that. To me it's no surprise, that almost from day 1 the focus was buiolding a stadium, and building a stadium in an area of a city that with investment could grow in value massively.

I watched a Mafia show recently on Netflix, and they essentially charged a % on any building in that area once it was done. Again I have absolutely no evidence to suggest that could happen here, but if it happens in New York for decades, it could happen here.You may not have your name on any of the documents, but any future buildings in and around that area could pay you a fee to help with planning permission etc.

What we know, is that Russian money fits the criteria above, according to the British state in almost all cases. So the hat fits a bit.

I don't think they care about turning a conventional profit at all. They are trying to gain influence and potentially recycle money, which football and buildings are great for (potentially/allegedly).

I've said a few times, I remember sitting in a casino(s) whenI was younger. I was a decent poker player and could count cards with Blackjack. I'd go in with say 400-500 and hopefully double it. Nothing major, it would take a few hours, but when you're a student or just started work it's good money. Eastern European (and often Russian) guys would come and play at the table. They would at times bet hundreds of pounds per hand. Ive seen them go through 5-10k in an hour, and just go back to the ATM in the casino and go and withdraw another 5-10k and start again. This was in a run down, poor partof the country and was astonishing really.

It's just washing money. Just dding another layer of complexity for the authorities. They didn't mind that they lost overall, maybe 10-15% of their overall money, it ws just an accepted fee to have new notes/money. They just pay in a big win and it will show up as a from a company that owns the Casino, which will have a registered UK address and their fine to go.

What you see Oligrarchs do on a big sale, in the UK is that. I have no idea what Moshiri/Usmanov are doing, but it would be more strange if they weren't doing this, than if they were.

Its a well known ruse in Vegas
You buy 50k of chips with cash
Lose 5k and then get a cheque for 45k with the rest when you cash out
The cheque is clean money as its gambling money

 

[kev]

The docks are important for sure.

It's diffcult for me to say to much, as none of us want a legal case, so this is purely hypothetical. However, if you had lots of money that is made illicitly, and also a portion of your legitimate money is also made dubiously then real estate projects are a brillaint way to "launder" your cash. The assets will grow in value (unlike with msot things such as cars) and there are all sorts of tax implications that are beneficial if you do that. To me it's no surprise, that almost from day 1 the focus was buiolding a stadium, and building a stadium in an area of a city that with investment could grow in value massively.

I watched a Mafia show recently on Netflix, and they essentially charged a % on any building in that area once it was done. Again I have absolutely no evidence to suggest that could happen here, but if it happens in New York for decades, it could happen here.You may not have your name on any of the documents, but any future buildings in and around that area could pay you a fee to help with planning permission etc.

What we know, is that Russian money fits the criteria above, according to the British state in almost all cases. So the hat fits a bit.

I don't think they care about turning a conventional profit at all. They are trying to gain influence and potentially recycle money, which football and buildings are great for (potentially/allegedly).

I've said a few times, I remember sitting in a casino(s) whenI was younger. I was a decent poker player and could count cards with Blackjack. I'd go in with say 400-500 and hopefully double it. Nothing major, it would take a few hours, but when you're a student or just started work it's good money. Eastern European (and often Russian) guys would come and play at the table. They would at times bet hundreds of pounds per hand. Ive seen them go through 5-10k in an hour, and just go back to the ATM in the casino and go and withdraw another 5-10k and start again. This was in a run down, poor partof the country and was astonishing really.

It's just washing money. Just dding another layer of complexity for the authorities. They didn't mind that they lost overall, maybe 10-15% of their overall money, it ws just an accepted fee to have new notes/money. They just pay in a big win and it will show up as a from a company that owns the Casino, which will have a registered UK address and their fine to go.

What you see Oligrarchs do on a big sale, in the UK is that. I have no idea what Moshiri/Usmanov are doing, but it would be more strange if they weren't doing this, than if they were.