Uncomfortably numb.

Grealish, Branthwaite, 3-1 up against city, the west ham hand ball.

When you are not fancied, you are not fancied. 4 points without two key players right there...

The West Ham handball was a penalty. However pretty much scored a minute later so got it back to 1-1 and still lost.

Most Everton game in this run in was finding a way to lose to RS despite playing very well for majority of the game. City mess up was frustrating but just defended all first half so actually being 3-1 up on them felt a mirage.

Think last three months have just shown Moyes has served his purpose now and it's time to move on in another direction. Would be disappointed in Friedkin if they just keep him on as that would then be two managers they've dithered on given they weren't that fussed about sacking Dyche when he left.
 
I am in the same boat as you.

And despite its grandeur this why the new stadium, as magnificent as it is, feels weird and hollow for me.

As bad as we were at Goodison in recent years. There was still a sense of this magic history and a place where all our success was held. A hope that one day we’d have a team worthy of the heroes of old to grace the grand old lady and return the success

But at the Hill Dickinson, without any history to it and the current state of affairs. It has no past heroes, no illustrious history. And I’m worried sick it well ever have a team that marks it in history

Completely get what you're saying about Goodison. I've missed it at times this season myself. Problem more for the fondness of those hard fought 1-0s and Palace type games in recent seasons to cling on to survival.

However this isn't West Ham situation where they've gone down and 99% of their fanbase hate playing in that ground and will protest there in championship.

Majority here embraced the move finally happening and Chelsea 3-0 wins showed how good BMD can be on its day. The trick though is to get a manager in who will get the team playing like that on more regular basis as the form after the early wins (some of which were very lucky) has been very poor and they'll be far more dissent next season if the same style and results are still happening under Moyes.
 
As a 29 year old, I’ve had my fair share of disappointments as an Evertonian, most notably us not winning a single trophy during my lifetime. This season has now been added to that long list.

After showing promising signs throughout the majority of this season, we decided to just stop playing 7 weeks ago and completely give up on our aspirations of Europe.

At the start of the season most fans weren’t even expecting us to get European football. However, the manager and players have dangled the carrot all season long to the point that we’re now bitterly disappointed that we’ve missed out and why shouldn’t we be? Lesser (better run) clubs such as Brighton and Bournemouth have qualified whilst newly promoted Sunderland have also got a spot in the Europa League. Fumbling a European spot was completely unforgivable IMHO.

Add this to clubs like Newcastle, Aston Villa and Crystal Palace all winning trophies in the past few seasons whilst we go out in the early stages and it’s easy to see why we’re all so frustrated. Unfortunately I’m starting to become numb to it and my hopes of us ever being successful again are quickly fading.

For too long now Everton have been ran like a pub team. The fact that a change of ownership hasn’t changed mindsets within the club and the local media is deeply concerning.

If TFG are truly ambitious they would get rid of Moyes this week and replace him with a manager who can sell us a vision, develop young players and give us something to shout about along the way. Unfortunately though they’ll more than likely stick with Moyes, let him burn through another £150m+, sack him mid season and replace him another undesirable manager to get us out the crap.

‘Stability’ is just another word for stagnation.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.
Good post/piece.

The Europe qualification thing is an amazing piece of over promising and underdelivering. You're bang on that they collectively froze, crapped it, or just decided Europe isn't worth it.

This isn't the first time it's happened- similar happened under Ancelotti. There's a core of players who one might argue are 'senior' or 'leaders' in both scenarios. Of course both managers were far for faultless in both cases.

On the time thing. I was lucky enough to see the 95 cup win. 31 years ago. Feels amazingly aggravating doesn't it? However, its not unusual for great lengths of time to pass without winning something. I was slightly surprised to discover the Europa was Villa's first pot in 30 years. Arsenal's first title in 22. Newcastle's first trophy since the ark etc.

Its an uphill battle alright. It would be nice to actually feel like we're moving in the right direction.
 
Reckon we could bang a few pictures into this and make it an article for the front page.
01dun-lux.webp

There you go.
 
We're no closer to any kind of success than we were 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 or 30 years' ago. There is a vein of ineptitude that has run through the club in these years, which is continually mined by whomever is in charge,whether it be the owners or manager. The reasons are many, we all know what they are. The two that irks me the most are :

The sentimentality that is rife throughout the club, for all the wrong reasons. We can all love our history, and the players that made it, but rewarding mediocrity because they've been here a long time, and they 'get Everton' is no way to run a business. It rewards the also-ran rather than the excellent, the player happy to go with the flow rather than one who seeks to improve.

There's also it seems within the club, an almost tangible fear to improve, to set goals and expect to achieve them, to appoint people with a vision. Not vision as a buzzword, but people with a plan, willing to expound their vision within the club and to the supporters. Instead, we get managers with no ambition, no distinctive attacking plan, or indeed very little plan indeed. There is no cohesive strategy to improve season by season apart from meaningless mission statements.

'If you know your history' is now a tired anachronism. Tired, that's what the fans are, tired of the nothingness, the stupor, the miasma, the total irrelevance of Everton. And then we hear what that failure of a manager came out with tonight and we despair, because, deep down, we all know nothing will change.

And for my next joke....
Breaks my heart to agree but you nailed . My greatest fear is that we are just a badge at corporate meetings in the US ,something to "own " ,they haven't even visited so why oh why do we think they are enthusiastic about the club . It is the hope that kills you . Has Kinnear clarified the comment ? He needs to show that is not truly how he feels . Even Moyes said he isn't happy !
 
This season's break point for me was Branthwaite's injury. He is our only speedy skillful CB. Once he is out of the team we go to Keen/Tarkowski axis of slowness, drop back 15 yards and play from the edge of our box. This drops midfielders like Dewsbury Hall away from the front line and isolates the #9. Our wide players are dribbling out of our own half instead of threatening the goal.
We need to bring in a couple of young CB's and start our integration and upgrade. We have relied too long on 30+ defenders. Stop making O'Brien play RB, its embarrassing.
The sentimentality started with Kenwright, is embodied in Moyes who would pick his trusted same XI every week and never trust a sub or a younger player. This is not managing a club. it is just observing the slow decay of age.
 
The Friedkins had the chance to put the brakes on that and reverse course, but their cardinal sin has been to identify Kenwrightism - and it's two greatest totems, Moyes and Coleman - as the true culture of Everton Football Club.

A fatal error.

Until the snake oil is driven from our club, they will continue the work of Kenwright's lifetime: that of managed decline with dollops of sentimentality. You are being gaslit.

This is the issue. IMO the failure this season is monumental. 13th, yes. But it symbolises more than that. It's taken away hope. The reboot we all yearned for was seen to be a damp squib and we look like we have owners who dont listen and will just sit there in parastic fashion until someone buys them out.

Can they turn this around? Yes, but only if they sack Moyes and underline that they're willing to back his successor.

I never dreamt we'd be at this crossroads so soon with TFG, but we are.
 
Sheer guilt of me forcing my lad to follow this shabite.
I can't put my two grandsons through this...
This is it for me.
Utterly disinterested in the whole PL thing and would happily walk away from it but...
my son watches Everton religiously despite all his friends glory hunting,and I just cant walk away from him.
Its my fault he supports Everton
I need to own that.
 
As a 29 year old, I’ve had my fair share of disappointments as an Evertonian, most notably us not winning a single trophy during my lifetime. This season has now been added to that long list.

After showing promising signs throughout the majority of this season, we decided to just stop playing 7 weeks ago and completely give up on our aspirations of Europe.

At the start of the season most fans weren’t even expecting us to get European football. However, the manager and players have dangled the carrot all season long to the point that we’re now bitterly disappointed that we’ve missed out and why shouldn’t we be? Lesser (better run) clubs such as Brighton and Bournemouth have qualified whilst newly promoted Sunderland have also got a spot in the Europa League. Fumbling a European spot was completely unforgivable IMHO.

Add this to clubs like Newcastle, Aston Villa and Crystal Palace all winning trophies in the past few seasons whilst we go out in the early stages and it’s easy to see why we’re all so frustrated. Unfortunately I’m starting to become numb to it and my hopes of us ever being successful again are quickly fading.

For too long now Everton have been ran like a pub team. The fact that a change of ownership hasn’t changed mindsets within the club and the local media is deeply concerning.

If TFG are truly ambitious they would get rid of Moyes this week and replace him with a manager who can sell us a vision, develop young players and give us something to shout about along the way. Unfortunately though they’ll more than likely stick with Moyes, let him burn through another £150m+, sack him mid season and replace him another undesirable manager to get us out the crap.

‘Stability’ is just another word for stagnation.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.
I was very young myself when we last won something. It pisses me off big time seeing Aston Villa get relegated, and then bounce back up and go on to qualify for the Champions League and win a major European trophy.

Meanwhile at Everton the board are happy enough with finishing 13th in the league and out of both domestic cups by the end of January. The manager doesn't even know why people are unhappy.

We have a certain element of fans who then spout bullshit buzzwords like stability, Rome wasn't built in a day and don't be self entitled etc.

I feel so sorry for people like you who are a part of the Kenwright generation of Everton fans. Bill Kenwright's plucky little Everton is the only Everton you've known for the vast majority of your life.

It was Bill Kenwright in cahoots with David Moyes who created the concept of plucky little Everton, and the consequences of this is a generation of fans who are now in their 30's, who have yet to still see this club do anything of any relevance.

This club has no hope for the future as long as David Moyes remains as manager. The man is the last lingering ghost from the Kenwright era that this club finally needs cleansing of for good.
 
I was very young myself when we last won something. It pisses me off big time seeing Aston Villa get relegated, and then bounce back up and go on to qualify for the Champions League and win a major European trophy.

Meanwhile at Everton the board are happy enough with finishing 13th in the league and out of both domestic cups by the end of January. The manager doesn't even know why people are unhappy.

We have a certain element of fans who then spout bullshit buzzwords like stability, Rome wasn't built in a day and don't be self entitled etc.

I feel so sorry for people like you who are a part of the Kenwright generation of Everton fans. Bill Kenwright's plucky little Everton is the only Everton you've known for the vast majority of your life.

It was Bill Kenwright in cahoots with David Moyes who created the concept of plucky little Everton, and the consequences of this is a generation of fans who are now in their 30's, who have yet to still see this club do anything of any relevance.

This club has no hope for the future as long as David Moyes remains as manager. The man is the last lingering ghost from the Kenwright era that this club finally needs cleansing of for good.
Completely agree mate. Whilst I appreciate Moyes getting us out the crap and back on even footing, the decision to get him back is looking more mental by the day.

After Kenwright’s passing it felt like we were finally going to be riddled of the plucky little Everton tagline but instead we just invited it right back in with Moyes.

As long as Moyes is in charge, 13th place will be seen as good enough and we’ll never push on like Villa, Bournemouth etc. have. We’ll just accept our place as a mid table side who never win any pots.
 
Completely agree mate. Whilst I appreciate Moyes getting us out the crap and back on even footing, the decision to get him back is looking more mental by the day.

After Kenwright’s passing it felt like we were finally going to be riddled of the plucky little Everton tagline but instead we just invited it right back in with Moyes.

As long as Moyes is in charge, 13th place will be seen as good enough and we’ll never push on like Villa, Bournemouth etc. have. We’ll just accept our place as a mid table side who never win any pots.
Moyes did do a good job for us first time around, even if his teams weren't quite good enough to get over the line and win something. The difference between then and now though is that we didn't have a pot to piss in nor two pennies to rub together.

The game has also moved on and i don't think David Moyes has moved on with it. I presume all of us want this club to find and develop promising young players, compete for Europe and win the odd trophy.

Even a League Cup or Europa Conference League trophy would do! None of this however is possible under David Moyes.
 
As a 29 year old, I’ve had my fair share of disappointments as an Evertonian, most notably us not winning a single trophy during my lifetime. This season has now been added to that long list.

After showing promising signs throughout the majority of this season, we decided to just stop playing 7 weeks ago and completely give up on our aspirations of Europe.

At the start of the season most fans weren’t even expecting us to get European football. However, the manager and players have dangled the carrot all season long to the point that we’re now bitterly disappointed that we’ve missed out and why shouldn’t we be? Lesser (better run) clubs such as Brighton and Bournemouth have qualified whilst newly promoted Sunderland have also got a spot in the Europa League. Fumbling a European spot was completely unforgivable IMHO.

Add this to clubs like Newcastle, Aston Villa and Crystal Palace all winning trophies in the past few seasons whilst we go out in the early stages and it’s easy to see why we’re all so frustrated. Unfortunately I’m starting to become numb to it and my hopes of us ever being successful again are quickly fading.

For too long now Everton have been ran like a pub team. The fact that a change of ownership hasn’t changed mindsets within the club and the local media is deeply concerning.

If TFG are truly ambitious they would get rid of Moyes this week and replace him with a manager who can sell us a vision, develop young players and give us something to shout about along the way. Unfortunately though they’ll more than likely stick with Moyes, let him burn through another £150m+, sack him mid season and replace him another undesirable manager to get us out the crap.

‘Stability’ is just another word for stagnation.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.
To be honest I've been one of those in the Moyes corner until recently.
I don't know why its taken me so long to realise we are going nowhere and never will with him.
I suppose the fear of relegation has tainted my judgement and I've been one of those timid souls who wasn't prepared to risk the glory of victory when it might lead to the heartache of defeat.

Thank you David, you've been steady, paid well, now it's time to hand over the reigns so that we can have the excitement of Everton back, whether that leads to Europe, cups, champions or relegation I am now prepared to take that chance. No longer will I be careful what I wish for.
 

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