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[Joey66]

The NMC hammer absolutely loads of nurses every single month. To get to the stage where a nurse is committing enough wrongdoing to get to a stage of legal malpractice where the police are involved and criminal charges forthcoming is very rare due to intervention much earlier.

Nurses having some form of 'immunity' is way off the mark.

Surgeons & Specialist are backed by the GMC & have an insurance scheme to be backed by top barristers - one case I read was an old lady went to get the lower half of her leg removed & the surgeon removed the wrong lower leg off - she gained massive compensation, but she was obviously not happy about that as she was now wheelchair bound as eventually she lost both of her bottom legs - no she wanted him struck off by the GMC - using her compensation money she went to court - the surgeon was suspended with full pay - the verdict = it was his first mistake & he should be retrained & the hospital should adopt a better identification of the exact operation ... he is still practising now on the NHS ......

The NHS are not insured for negligence as no one company will insure them .....

In my experience, a Doctor or a nurse will orally tell you that you have had a malpractice occurrence against you - but will never put in writing if you put a complaint in - plus the Ombudsman is a total waste of time as he or she are only referees & their judgement carries nothing unless you go legal .... = very expensive

 

[kev]

Surgeons & Specialist are backed by the GMC & have an insurance scheme to be backed by top barristers - one case I read was an old lady went to get the lower half of her leg removed & the surgeon removed the wrong lower leg off - she gained massive compensation, but she was obviously not happy about that as she was now wheelchair bound as eventually she lost both of her bottom legs - no she wanted him struck off by the GMC - using her compensation money she went to court - the surgeon was suspended with full pay - the verdict = it was his first mistake & he should be retrained & the hospital should adopt a better identification of the exact operation ... he is still practising now on the NHS ......

The NHS are not insured for negligence as no one company will insure them .....

In my experience, a Doctor or a nurse will orally tell you that you have had a malpractice occurrence against you - but will never put in writing if you put a complaint in - plus the Ombudsman is a total waste of time as he or she are only referees & their judgement carries nothing unless you go legal .... = very expensive

Shocking @Joey66
I read of a bloke who went in for a lower leg amputation and the bloody doctor amputated the upper part instead and left the lower bit in place.

 

[Joey66]

Shocking @Joey66
I read of a bloke who went in for a lower leg amputation and the bloody doctor amputated the upper part instead and left the lower bit in place.

The Hospital I was in used a big black felt tip pen & write the type of surgery on your fore arm ....
A guy opposite laughed & & stated you will come back with your lower arm removed
I was in for a big kidney operation - I found it not very amusing TBH ......

 

[summerisle]

Hey, I've got a great idea...

 

[Jebus_lives]

Surgeons & Specialist are backed by the GMC & have an insurance scheme to be backed by top barristers - one case I read was an old lady went to get the lower half of her leg removed & the surgeon removed the wrong lower leg off - she gained massive compensation, but she was obviously not happy about that as she was now wheelchair bound as eventually she lost both of her bottom legs - no she wanted him struck off by the GMC - using her compensation money she went to court - the surgeon was suspended with full pay - the verdict = it was his first mistake & he should be retrained & the hospital should adopt a better identification of the exact operation ... he is still practising now on the NHS ......

The NHS are not insured for negligence as no one company will insure them .....

In my experience, a Doctor or a nurse will orally tell you that you have had a malpractice occurrence against you - but will never put in writing if you put a complaint in - plus the Ombudsman is a total waste of time as he or she are only referees & their judgement carries nothing unless you go legal .... = very expensive

Arguably if he performed the procedure effectively, he did a good job. The issue was the process which didn't require a final check, the preparation for surgery and the handover that didn't flag it up.

Also, I'm pretty sure it won't have been in the UK.

 

[Joey66]

Arguably if he performed the procedure effectively, he did a good job. The issue was the process which didn't require a final check, the preparation for surgery and the handover that didn't flag it up.

He did a good job ? How he removed the wrong body part, FGS - they always put a label on your wrist of what the operation is & he probably never read it ... & I guess he had seen her pre operation etc

Any other job, you are sacked ..... 100%

 

[Jebus_lives]

He did a good job ? How he removed the wrong body part, FGS - they always put a label on your wrist of what the operation is & he probably never read it ... & I guess he had seen her pre operation etc

Any other job, you are sacked ..... 100%

I'll be honest @Joey66 I don't for a second trust your remembering of the story correctly (im convinced it wasn't the UK but feel free to correct me) and, based upon your initial post, your understanding of the NHS, indemnity and clinical negligence is lacking.

But, to answer your point, if he was told to remove the wrong leg, the processes were all followed in advance (I suspect not, but for the purposes of this nonsense I'll go with it) and then he performed the amputation safely and effectively, he did his job well. The problem was a system that supported him.

 

[Joey66]

I'll be honest @Joey66 I don't for a second trust your remembering of the story correctly (im convinced it wasn't the UK but feel free to correct me) and, based upon your initial post, your understanding of the NHS, indemnity and clinical negligence is lacking.

But, to answer your point, if he was told to remove the wrong leg, the processes were all followed in advance (I suspect not, but for the purposes of this nonsense I'll go with it) and then he performed the amputation safely and effectively, he did his job well. The problem was a system that supported him.

It was in the UK - & performing on the wrong body part is unforgivable - My surgeon examined me - I had a pre-op - I had to wait as he was putting a specialist top team to perform the operation - he also did private work - I doubt if it was you or a loved one in your family you would be defending that surgeon who must have been trained procedural wise to make sure - he was carrying out the correct operation in the first place !
I would have thought it was no 1 in their training ! Whether he did a good job on the wrong body part is immaterial - It was negligence IMO of the highest order .....

The pain & suffering after major surgery is agony, mate ....

 

[Bluesaint]

Hey, I've got a great idea...

Do people seriously think this is funny? During all of this business and the internet sleuths trying to make a name for themselves, is nobody giving a flying F about the parents that lost babies? From conception to pregnancy to birth and then taken away so suddenly. These ‘fans’ should be made to explain their actions to the grieving parents.

 

[summerisle]

Do people seriously think this is funny? During all of this business and the internet sleuths trying to make a name for themselves, is nobody giving a flying F about the parents that lost babies? From conception to pregnancy to birth and then taken away so suddenly. These ‘fans’ should be made to explain their actions to the grieving parents.

Obvious not, the country's gone to hell in a handcart.

 

[Bluesaint]

Obvious not, the country's gone to hell in a handcart.

I have to agree, sadly

 

[Jebus_lives]

It was in the UK - & performing on the wrong body part is unforgivable - My surgeon examined me - I had a pre-op - I had to wait as he was putting a specialist top team to perform the operation - he also did private work - I doubt if it was you or a loved one in your family you would be defending that surgeon who must have been trained procedural wise to make sure - he was carrying out the correct operation in the first place !
I would have thought it was no 1 in their training ! Whether he did a good job on the wrong body part is immaterial - It was negligence IMO of the highest order .....

The pain & suffering after major surgery is agony, mate ....

Can you show me the report, GM statement, trust statement or court record of the incident?

 

[Joey66]

Can you show me the report, GM statement, trust statement or court record of the incident?

It was ages ago & I don't post untruths OK !

 

[Blue 1]

Hey, I've got a great idea...

WTAF?

 

[Jebus_lives]

It was ages ago & I don't post untruths OK !

Unless it's pre Internet I imagibe there is some record of it. I imagibe it would've been headline news!

The only examples I can find are from Austria and North America.

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I absolutely believe that you think it's true, but I suspect you may be misremembering.

The reason I bring it up, is that these types of cases (and this one in particular) tend to skew rumour, half truths and conflation and it can be dangerous when that happens..