Kevsleftpeg
Player Valuation: £35m
That remains to be seen. Barry has looked awful so far.
Kevsleftpeg
Player Valuation: £35m
It’s not just about goals. His general play is awful. Saha went through a few spells when he didn’t score but he always looked like a class player. Barry offers basically nothing if he’s not scoring which is fine of your Haaland.
den
Player Valuation: £5m
I like Chermiti and wanted to see him do well. I think he should have gone on loan while here, and could have developed, but to compare one hat trick in the Scottish Premiership to a starting striker in the English Premier League is silly. Barry scored two hat tricks in the arguably better Belgian Pro League when he was younger than Chermiti, so what does that mean?
preposterousvelios
Player Valuation: £15m
Kroupi is a great player but he literally can't play up front for them yet, He's playing 10.
Despite the histrionics in the is thread, in the context of all the different strikers that moved to the PL in summer 30m for Barry is one of the better deals imo.
Easy to look at one deal like Kroupi and say why didn't we do that, but the bigger picture is Gyokeres 60m, sesko 80m, Woltemade 80m. I honestly think we did alright. No one else had a chance of getting Kroupi anyway as he was coming from a sister club of Bournemouth. West Ham tried to pay twice as much for him and were knocked back.
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Top spot mate, fair play, brilliant stuff!
preposterousvelios
Player Valuation: £15m
Seen a lot of people in this thread suggest that Barry is rubbish in the air, does nothing, no point in him being on the pitch etc
Almost like people are letting their emotions cloud their objectivity? Surely not...
Thing with those stat’s is, what happens to the ball after they have won a duel?
Winning headers that retain possession or direct the ball into a considered space likely to be picked up by a team mate v winning headers that bounce your dome to god knows where can highlight significant differences in the effectiveness of those won duels.
While I’m a bit surprised Barrys that high, i do often find myself frustrated that second balls seem to be frequently picked up by the opposition. Now thats not necessarily entirely his (or Beto’s) fault if they are going in to decent spaces and team mates aren’t picking up on them, but in isolation i don't see much value in those stats tbh.
The feeling of losing possession from our headers might even be mislead due to the high numbers won and the turnovers are actually average, but give the feeling of losing position a lot due to frequency (does make it an ineffective tactic mind)
It would also be interesting / possibly revealing to know where those headers occur. I’d be amazed if many are defensive ones compared to say DCL for whom i suspected a significant % will be defensive.
preposterousvelios
Player Valuation: £15m
For me this illustrates my original point that a lot of people have made their minds up on Barry and will willfully ignore things that he's doing right in games.
It has been said a lot in here that he doesn't win enough headers. Now that it's been shown that he's actually won the most in the league for a striker, the problem becomes that actually yes he wins a lot of headers but he's basically just heading out of play or to the opposition.
You obviously have a right to your opinion but it doesn't line up with my personal perspective, as I do feel that in every game he does manage to make quite a lot stick when the ball is being fired up to him. And that's despite being isolated as you've pointed out. He actually has a few times flicked the ball down the line and managed to get onto it himself with his pace.
I don’t have access to data that in depth to be able to show what percentage of his headers keep posession rather than lose it. Just going from what I see with my own eyes though I don't think it would really be fair to say he's constantly losing posession and failing to hold the ball up. If anything I think he links play really well for us, and you really notice when he goes off that we lose control and can't move the ball at the same speed.
Edit - re-read your response and tbf your being more fair to Barry than I gave you credit for. Didnt mean to strawman, being in here defending big bazza all season has clearly got me in a seige mentality
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Abraders
Player Valuation: £60m
What counts as 'winning' an aerial duel though? Does it mean you've won it and kept possession or not?
It's all well and good getting your head on it, but if you're sending it a mile away from any team mate then you've 'won' the duel but actually done nothing but lose the ball.
Abraders
Player Valuation: £60m
Outside of the game he seems to have the right attitude training etc, and must be training well to be getting ahead of Beto who works hard by all accounts.
However when he is subbed, or makes a big miss or two like in our previous game his head goes completely. His head down for the rest of the game was either very concerning or performative.
However when he is subbed, or makes a big miss or two like in our previous game his head goes completely. His head down for the rest of the game was either very concerning or performative.
