The return of David Moyes

[Bryan+]

Not the guys fault to be fair. It's why I ignore/refuse any "can you share your view on...." because they make it 'The Everton Perspective'

Hiya, when they next ask just give them Daveks comments word for word, please. The won’t ask again.

 

[trueblue84]

Yeah this is true - he has won A European cup.

He isnt a serial winner, he isnt known for great football and we do not, absolutely do not, have the level of footballers he had last time he was at the club.

I argue it's not lazy personally, I dont see the difference between him, dyche, allardyce et al. We wont see expansive football under Moyes.

We don't need expansive football. There's about 3 teams in the premier league that play that way. What matters is winning games. Nobody at forest is saying "we're 3rd in the league, but I wish the football was more expansive".

 

[supertoffee98]

Seems like a nice fella, his football is a major dross fest though with occasional class. He's another Dyche, we'll play some of our best football but we'll also play some of our worst and given our league position that's a risk taking him on. Having said that I was born in 1998 and he's the guy I most associate with Everton as a kid next to Tim Cahill, maybe the nostalgia will kick in soon.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

And what if he keeps us up in a progressive, forward-thinking style? Still replace?

He won’t though, The entire squad, club training structure, ethos need overhauling. It’s not simply about his coaching ability.

He will keep us up, but that’s about it. If I were him I wouldn’t come back under those circumstances.

 

[maccavennie]

I think it’s precisely that. They’ve tried a couple of things there that didn’t work but their results have turned around with the calm head of Ranieri in there. Don’t be surprised if they have the same idea of offering Moyes something upstairs afterwards to sweeten the deal.

I think everyone would take that tbh (Moyes moving upstairs as DoF end of season).

 

[Gilbert..]

'What Everton Fans Think'.

He speaks for himself.

You were championing Dyche. I'm surprised you're not keeping your head down.

 

[Milkman]

Yeah this is true - he has won A European cup.

He isnt a serial winner, he isnt known for great football and we do not, absolutely do not, have the level of footballers he had last time he was at the club.

I argue it's not lazy personally, I dont see the difference between him, dyche, allardyce et al. We wont see expansive football under Moyes.

He had us playing great football. More recently, he had West Ham playing great football. We didn't start with Pienaar, Baines etc, just like West Ham didn't start with Paqueta, Bowen and the like.

He isn't a serial winner, no, but if you can find any that fancy keeping Everton up then please give TFG a shout.

In an ideal world, we'd love someone young and upcoming who plays amazing football, and maybe we'll get that one day when the club gets its sh** together, but we a) don't have the players to do that and b) don't have the time to implement it. So Moyes by that logic is a sensible move.

 

[Billy Dean]

Greg O'Keefe gets straight in there on the athletic with an article on how Moyes' appointment is a necessity. Bad weasel. Won't read the article and will give it the "Meh" rating. Just a shame I have to click on it

 

[davek]

As @GrandOldTeam alluded to yesterday - I think part of the reason why TFG are looking at Moyes is that they're wanting to replicate what Ranieri is currently doing at Roma. An experienced, familiar face to shore things up until the summer.

I've just heard that theory expounded on TalkSport. 'The legacy approach' it was grandly claimed as.

If anyone thinks these useless gets have half a clue what they're doing just because Mourinho was hired and won the low hanging fruit of European trophies they need to give their heads a shake.


TFG have proven so far exactly what Roma fan have been saying: they're clueless abiyt football decisions and hiring and firings.

We had enough yars of Moshiri to know what chancers look like...and this lot are chancers.

 

[MikeH72]

How many teams has Moyes relegated?

One less than your man Dychey.

 

[NathDogg]

You're right actually mate, I should have included the positive.

He knows/gets the club.

As he says, West Ham is his home though - and he never improved them, results wise, twice when he rocked up mid season. So there's no guarentee people like to keep saying that he's a safe pair of hands.

That’s a negative for me tbh. He knows the “old” Everton.

We need to forget what the Everton davey was part of and become what we were before him and his beloved chairman. A proper serious football club.

I was hoping TFG would slash and burn everything from the old era, and set us up for the future, but I feel Dyches performance has tied their hands a little.

Still hoping this Moyes stuff is all his media luvies talking rubbish.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

No he isn't, and I have some faith in TFG saying "thanks Dave" in May now, based on this week's shenanigans.

As you can see in this thread, there's fans who think if he keeps us up, he deserves next season.

This isn't Sean Dyche/Everton anymore - new owners and necessity to spend - this summer will determine where Everton go for the next 5+ years.

As I said a lot with Dyche, small margins at the bottom and you can't expect a glorified interim manager, there for a few months to get the most out of multi millionaires who aren't invested in next season.

With that, there won't be a 6 month contract. Managers don't accept that, just like we saw Potter and West Ham. Just like we saw with Allardyce here - I tolerated Allardyce, knowing the long contract was shenanigans and he was gone for Silva in the summer.

I don't think that happens with Moyes, but we don't know enough about TFG.

Actions>words - and so far, their actions, like delaying sacking a manager to hours before potentially the last FA Cup game at Goodison Park, haven't been good.

 

[davek]

Greg O'Keefe gets straight in there on the athletic with an article on how Moyes' appointment is a necessity. Bad weasel. Won't read the article and will give it the "Meh" rating. Just a shame I have to click on it

I had @Goat the other day singing the praises of rats like O'Keeffe and Boyland.

It's amazing how quickly fans forget they were central to backing owners even when they accused fans of criminal activity, but when they write something they agree with all is forgiven.

Zero character.

 

[TyphooToffee]

Seems like a nice fella, his football is a major dross fest though with occasional class. He's another Dyche, we'll play some of our best football but we'll also play some of our worst and given our league position that's a risk taking him on. Having said that I was born in 1998 and he's the guy I most associate with Everton as a kid next to Tim Cahill, maybe the nostalgia will kick in soon.

The band is getting back together

 

[Kev The Rat]

I get why he's a comfort blanket for a lot, it's why I said yesterday I don't think he'd be coming if he wasn't our manager all them years ago.



Generally when reviewing/discussing managerial options, you look at their prior record.

That's his last club then, and if there's a lot of discussion about him being "proverbial safe pair of hands", then you can look at when he joined his last club, half way through the season and look at whether or not he improved them. He didn't, 19 points in 20 games etc.

I'd expect any manager who comes in to keep us up - it had gone stale under Dyche, interim manager with half a squad not invested in next season. A new manager bounce, aided by some desperately needed transfer spend will see us safe. We're not even bottom 3 now, as bad as it's been.

So the question for me isn't is he better than Sean Dyche, I wanted Dyche gone as soon as we got new owners and the capability to spend.

The question I ask is, is he the right man to rebuild the team? Because I don't have confidence we'll lash him in the summer.

So let's ignore his record at Everton then?