The Now-Irrelevant 2024/25 Relegation Battle (Without Everton!)

[MikeH72]

At the time Moyes was appointed Ipswich had taken 12 points from their previous 11 games, Wolves had taken 14 from their previous 11 games and Everton had taken 9 from their previous 11 games.

Nobody else could possibly do any better.

 

[NathDogg]

Revisionism reigns again here.

Let’s be clear about one thing, if we hadn’t made the managerial change when we did Dyche would have had us right in the relegation mix.

His supporters can spout nonsense about us never being in real trouble all they want, fact is, we where and would be now if the fraud stayed manager.

 

[Dougie]

Revisionism reigns again here.

Let’s be clear about one thing, if we hadn’t made the managerial change when we did Dyche would have had us right in the relegation mix.

His supporters can spout nonsense about us never being in real trouble all they want, fact is, we where and would be now if the fraud stayed manager.

I was one who wanted him when we was in dire straits, all be due to club financial and lack of options apparently. He did his job for me, but this season he shown his true abilities. I wanted him gone as we were definitely in the mix, we were worse this season than his previous season with a better squad.

 

[OneTrueLegend]

Revisionism reigns again here.

Let’s be clear about one thing, if we hadn’t made the managerial change when we did Dyche would have had us right in the relegation mix.

His supporters can spout nonsense about us never being in real trouble all they want, fact is, we where and would be now if the fraud stayed manager.

Totally agree, we would be below Wolves right now if we had kept Dyche and be praying that Leicester and Ipswich keep losing each week.

 

[Drico]

Revisionism reigns again here.

Let’s be clear about one thing, if we hadn’t made the managerial change when we did Dyche would have had us right in the relegation mix.

His supporters can spout nonsense about us never being in real trouble all they want, fact is, we where and would be now if the fraud stayed manager.

The only question that matters with any change is: did it work?

Everything else is supposition.

If the change was made to secure our survival, it unquestionably worked. Could Dyche have kept us up? He might well have - but if we were told in January that Moyes definitely would, we would have made the change whether we still believed Dyche would or not.

It was the same with the Allardyce appointment. People claim to this day we would have stayed up anyway, but that's immaterial. Allardyce had us safe within a month. Unsworth and Joe were getting trounced at Southampton. Nobody was waiting around to see if things got better... They might very well have (and we did beat West Ham, albeit with Big Sam in the stands bringing a new, er, vibe to proceedings), but when you get to that point people want security - not hope.

The Moyes appointment was an unequivocal success - if the goal was survival. When the goal changes - as it does now - then the jury, as with all managers, will remain out.

 

[Lanolin]

The only question that matters with any change is: did it work?

Everything else is supposition.

If the change was made to secure our survival, it unquestionably worked. Could Dyche have kept us up? He might well have - but if we were told in January that Moyes definitely would, we would have made the change whether we still believed Dyche would or not.

It was the same with the Allardyce appointment. People claim to this day we would have stayed up anyway, but that's immaterial. Allardyce had us safe within a month. Unsworth and Joe were getting trounced at Southampton. Nobody was waiting around to see if things got better... They might very well have (and we did beat West Ham, albeit with Big Sam in the stands bringing a new, er, vibe to proceedings), but when you get to that point people want security - not hope.

The Moyes appointment was an unequivocal success - if the goal was survival. When the goal changes - as it does now - then the jury, as with all managers, will remain out.

That's it in a nutshell really. I don't know or care what would have happened if we'd kept Dyche, we didn't do it and the decision we made has worked out well so far so we can all be happy about it. Hopefully next year is the first season in a good while where we don't need to start one of these threads, or a new manager one, at all.

 

[OneTrueLegend]

The only teams that should give us any concern in the final games are the [Poor language removed] and Forest….the others are very ordinary this year and Newcastles season just finished today.
So a draw at The Pit and versus Forest and the rest wins. Happy days.

I think with Newcastle they may go on a poor run now, just after the cup final win, but last game of the season when they play us, they will really want to win, they will probably parade the trophy before hand and have their open top bus tour right after. They wont want to go into that on the back of a defeat. Our players will all have the flip flops on as well, having said an emotional goodbye to Goodison the week before.

 

[Saint Domingo]

At the time Moyes was appointed Ipswich had taken 12 points from their previous 11 games, Wolves had taken 14 from their previous 11 games and Everton had taken 9 from their previous 11 games.

We were outside the relegation zone with a game in hand.

I said at the time I thought we’d be safe as we had a better defence than the teams below us and conceded less goals. That counts over the course of a season as the three teams that end up down the bottom are usually the ones who concede the most goals. It’s not an agenda that that’s proven to be correct, it happens most seasons.

 

[MikeH72]

We were outside the relegation zone with a game in hand.

I said at the time I thought we’d be safe as we had a better defence than the teams below us and conceded less goals. That counts over the course of a season as the three teams that end up down the bottom are usually the ones who concede the most goals. It’s not an agenda that that’s proven to be correct, it happens most seasons.

How did that work out for your man at Burnley in the 2021/22 season?

 

[Saint Domingo]

You told everyone for ages that no manager would get a better tune out of these players.

Now instead of holding your hands up and accepting you were wrong, you’ve created some narrative where you were right and everyone else was wrong!

Did I? No manager? Really? Or did I say that before the takeover it wasn’t worth us changing manager because we would be unlikely to attract better quality given our proposition at the time until we are taken over by new owners. I remember multiple times saying I’d take Mourinho for example but there’s no way he’s coming or any quality manager is coming whilst the club is up for sale. Once the takeover occurred that is a different question, as has been seen.

I didn’t create the narrative were Ipswich Leicester and Southampton have been the worst three teams in the league just because I said they were leaking goals and would be down at the bottom because of their goal difference.

Some people seem to hate Dyche so kick they just don’t want to accept the fact that he bottom 3 are so terrible we weren’t going down. Sorry that that is such a grievance to some.

 

[Saint Domingo]

How did that work out for your man at Burnley in the 2021/22 season?

Do you know that word usually means?

 

[MikeH72]

Do you know that word usually means?

Yes, it means to occur often. As in “Sean Dyche usually loses football matches and gets sacked”

 

[MACCA75]

Did I? No manager? Really? Or did I say that before the takeover it wasn’t worth us changing manager because we would be unlikely to attract better quality given our proposition at the time until we are taken over by new owners. I remember multiple times saying I’d take Mourinho for example but there’s no way he’s coming or any quality manager is coming whilst the club is up for sale. Once the takeover occurred that is a different question, as has been seen.

I didn’t create the narrative were Ipswich Leicester and Southampton have been the worst three teams in the league just because I said they were leaking goals and would be down at the bottom because of their goal difference.

Some people seem to hate Dyche so kick they just don’t want to accept the fact that he bottom 3 are so terrible we weren’t going down. Sorry that that is such a grievance to some.

I mean, yes you literally did;

‘I don’t think there’s a huge improvement waiting to be unlocked from these players, I genuinely don’t.’ Nov

‘You can keep moaning about the tactics all you want, they’re not going to change, or if they do it will be with worse results’. Dec.

Just own it mate.

 

[PITA]

We were outside the relegation zone with a game in hand.

I said at the time I thought we’d be safe as we had a better defence than the teams below us and conceded less goals. That counts over the course of a season as the three teams that end up down the bottom are usually the ones who concede the most goals. It’s not an agenda that that’s proven to be correct, it happens most seasons.

I didn't think that we would go down BUT you knew we wouldn't. That's the difference.

Maybe you should get yourself a scarf and a crystal ball and do a turn on Blackpool prom.

 

[MikeH72]

I didn't think that we would go down BUT you knew we wouldn't. That's the difference.

Maybe you should get yourself a scarf and a crystal ball and do a turn on Blackpool prom.

Imagine Dyche with the injury crisis Moyes has had to contend with. No Ndiaye or McNeil for months, he would’ve jumped at the opportunity to throw his hands up and go “well what do you expect me to do” after his 7th consecutive loss and no goals scored. His creepy acolytes would’ve lapped it up as well.