The Now-Irrelevant 2024/25 Relegation Battle (Without Everton!)

[Titus Shambles]

"The decision was made by VAR consultant, Joshua Zirkzee."

'Correction, the VAR consultant was Joshua Zirkzed, not Zirkzee' said an official statement from PGMOL leader Bruno Maguire. (A further 2 point deduction has been applied to clear up any confusion).

 

[knowing your history]

moyes and new players and new ground

we will be far better

The key is simply winning the first two at BMD, getting 4 points away and then it's something like 10 points from first 5 or 6 games and then seasons become so much more uncomplicated generally as I'd back Moyes to keep the results largely ticking over while reducing the average and integrating new signings.

The trend in recent seasons is for the promoted teams to barely win a game between them in first 10 matches so you can build a very comfortable points gap over them as Moyes has done easily.

This is where Dyche messing up loads of winnable games in October-November made the season more stressful than it should've been and why he had to go when he did.

 

[knowing your history]

If Burnley and ShefU come up, it'll only prove how utterly pointless the once-great Championship has become, as they'll both be gone back down before a ball is kicked.

As for how much money Leeds have to spend, is that before or after we end up paying £30m for Jack Harrison......

Harrison will be back playing for them hopefully. Think he still has two years left on his Leeds deal so his agent played a blinder getting a new five year deal a few months before they went down.

Leeds 11 isn't amazing but I always think with clubs like them it's all about momentum as they did well initially first season up under Bielsa before his methods hit the wall and they also didn't sign well to replace key players as they went down after signing Kalvin Phillips and Raphinha.

They've got the best chance. I'd also like to see Sunderland come up but they're choking badly in the run in so play off lottery more likely for them.

 

[jerseytoffee]

Leeds will give it a go next season. Got plenty of money to spend and they'll be ruthless with Farke you suspect and he'll be out after 5/6 games if they don't start well.

Beyond that likes of Burnley and Sheffield United will just be the same as recent seasons. Coventry would be an interesting promotion but it's Lampard so you know they'll be a mess defensively.

Next season I think will be the first comfortable mid table season since 20/21.

Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re fairly restricted by ffp, spent a lot over the last few years

 

[knowing your history]

Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re fairly restricted by ffp, spent a lot over the last few years

Yeah I was going by RedBull are in now as their owners so not sure if there's slightly more flexibility.

Going to need 4-5 relatively proven top level players to stand a chance.

 

[Titus Shambles]

Harrison will be back playing for them hopefully. Think he still has two years left on his Leeds deal so his agent played a blinder getting a new five year deal a few months before they went down.

Leeds 11 isn't amazing but I always think with clubs like them it's all about momentum as they did well initially first season up under Bielsa before his methods hit the wall and they also didn't sign well to replace key players as they went down after signing Kalvin Phillips and Raphinha.

They've got the best chance. I'd also like to see Sunderland come up but they're choking badly in the run in so play off lottery more likely for them.

Yeah the Leeds/Sunderland type clubs I'd rather see in the Prem, or back-to-back promotion wild cards like Luton or Ipswich than just utterly pointless outfits like Shef or Burnley or Norwich who are happy to take 38 defeats and bank the £120m for the year, and yo yo up and down.

I've no idea who will get promoted for next season, and yet I'd still wager whoever it is, there's still more chance of us being relegated this year than next year just because of how big/pointless the cycle has become.

 

[NorthernBlue]

If we had lost all 7 of Moyes games we still wouldn’t be in the bottom 3. It’s going to be another 25 pointer is all you need.

 

[neil999]

If we had lost all 7 of Moyes games we still wouldn’t be in the bottom 3. It’s going to be another 25 pointer is all you need.

Hahah absolutely mad

 

[Tony’s Carp]

If we had lost all 7 of Moyes games we still wouldn’t be in the bottom 3. It’s going to be another 25 pointer is all you need.

We would, but yeah I reckon 31 is enough.

 

[Marius57]

If we had lost all 7 of Moyes games we still wouldn’t be in the bottom 3. It’s going to be another 25 pointer is all you need.

Wish people would stop peddling this, as some use it as a reason that getting rid of Dyche was premature. If we lost all 7 then that means we lost to Leicester and would be in the bottom 3.

 

[knowing your history]

Yeah the Leeds/Sunderland type clubs I'd rather see in the Prem, or back-to-back promotion wild cards like Luton or Ipswich than just utterly pointless outfits like Shef or Burnley or Norwich who are happy to take 38 defeats and bank the £120m for the year, and yo yo up and down.

I've no idea who will get promoted for next season, and yet I'd still wager whoever it is, there's still more chance of us being relegated this year than next year just because of how big/pointless the cycle has become.

TBF just two years back the lowest points total the promoted club finished on was Forest on 38 points. That was the mix you mentioned. Fulham came up premier league ready with the manager and squad they had. Forest signed about 200 players but somehow the strategy worked. They also had very good home form for most of the season. And Bournemouth quickly realised Scott Parker was no good and sacked him 5 games into the season instead of giving him up to December.

I think a problem for some of the yo yo clubs is they put average players on five year deals and so they're stuck with them even if they've shown they're no good in the prem. Leeds still play likes of Firpo and Strujik who were rubbish last time in the prem so little different than Leicester coming up and thinking Faes and Vestegaard could cut it which was a hilarious naïve opinion.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Wish people would stop peddling this, as some use it as a reason that getting rid of Dyche was premature. If we lost all 7 then that means we lost to Leicester and would be in the bottom 3.

Not sure that's really the angle to be fair, more an indication that the relegation mark is moving so slowly we have absolutely nothing to worry about.

 

[MACCA75]

I see Ben Godawful was hauled off at half time for Ipswich. Oh dear.

 

[catcherintherye]

If we had lost all 7 of Moyes games we still wouldn’t be in the bottom 3. It’s going to be another 25 pointer is all you need.

As it will be most years moving forward.

As I said a whole ago, 34 keeps you comfortably safe

 

[Eggs]

….despite only drawing, we’ve extended the gap to the bottom 3.