The Moyes Question

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The question is who will come here that's better. We'd have to get in someone unproven because top managers want to be able to spend money. And I don't think Moyes will ever get us relegated, but if we take a chance on someone else maybe they will.

The problem is that two or three years ago, when we were finishing 4th and 5th and competing for cups, I would have said if we stick with Moyes he can bring us success. Now I can't say that.

It looks like a choice between midtable mediocrity with Moyes or taking a chance at someone else who might do better or might do a lot worse. It's just kind of sad that I've lost my faith in the man when I honestly believed he was a miracle worker.

Incidently teams we beat in the league last year: Birmingham, Liverpool, Stoke, City, Spurs, Blackpool, Sunderland, Fulham, Wolves, Blackburn and Chelsea.
 
Artetafan said:
The question is who will come here that's better. We'd have to get in someone unproven because top managers want to be able to spend money. And I don't think Moyes will ever get us relegated, but if we take a chance on someone else maybe they will.

The problem is that two or three years ago, when we were finishing 4th and 5th and competing for cups, I would have said if we stick with Moyes he can bring us success. Now I can't say that.

It looks like a choice between midtable mediocrity with Moyes or taking a chance at someone else who might do better or might do a lot worse. It's just kind of sad that I've lost my faith in the man when I honestly believed he was a miracle worker.

Incidently teams we beat in the league last year: Birmingham, Liverpool, Stoke, City, Spurs, Blackpool, Sunderland, Fulham, Wolves, Blackburn and Chelsea.
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People might have thought we were taking a chance on an unproven manager when we first hired Moyes.

It is a risk of course, but I honestly can't see Moyes taking us any further.

That said, with our finances (or lack thereof) I can't see anyone taking us any further. New managers need some funds, after all.
 
So if a new manager comes in then how can you surely say that we'll get relegated? I'm not saying that it has to be some top gun but there are plenty of managers who don't get the transfer kitty as mentioned by Moyes himself but if they are given the same support that Moyes got and if that new manager is a better tactician who knows where to use the players according to the need, is more attack minded than defense minded then I don't see the problem.

The basic concern of managers these days is the support that lacks from the chairman so lets say that we get Martin O Neil in hypothetically and we know that he or most of the managers in the league are more attack minded than Moyes is and not so predictable, I think that may even work.

Moyes is not the dead end for Everton! Now pls don't give that 3 time LMA award excuse!
 
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People might have thought we were taking a chance on an unproven manager when we first hired Moyes.
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We were. Obviously sometimes risks pay off. Maybe a new manager who'd either actually sell some first teamers for funds or would simply pick our strongest eleven would turn things around.

I dunno, Moyes has earned a lot of good will from me over the years. I'm reluctant to start calling for his head.
 
faddy the blue said:
Moyes is not the dead end for Everton! Now pls don't give that 3 time LMA award excuse!
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That's not the excuse people use. What people say when they want to support Moyes is that he took us from a bottom half team, struggling with relegation, bought some great players on the cheap and turned us into one which finished 4th once, 5th twice, 6th once, reached one cup final and one semi, played often in Europe and played some really good football in spells. And he did it all without spending half the money everyone else in the league has.

Now, he makes a lot of mistakes and I'm the first to admit that and maybe it is time for him to go, but lets not pretend he never achieved anything here.
 
Artetafan said:
That's not the excuse people use. What people say when they want to support Moyes is that he took us from a bottom half team, struggling with relegation, bought some great players on the cheap and turned us into one which finished 4th once, 5th twice, 6th once, reached one cup final and one semi, played often in Europe and played some really good football in spells. And he did it all without spending half the money everyone else in the league has.

Now, he makes a lot of mistakes and I'm the first to admit that and maybe it is time for him to go, but lets not pretend he never achieved anything here.
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Neither am I nor should any evertonian but I can't see him as a larger than life stature. SAF took man utd from nothing and has created a kingdom but that doesn't mean that Man Utd fans start to think that they'll be doomed when he leaves. If we're thinking that we'll be doomed after Moyes then take a shower, hit the bricks and get a clue! That's just lame IMO.

Yes he took us to dizzy heights, no doubt about that but back then the quality of the teams wasn't as high as it is now so with time, Moyes needs to change himself just like Jose Mourinho or SAF have done year after year to be successful. If moyes can't do that then no matter how good a squad he retains, it won't make a difference!
 
It's frustrating.. last season he hit upon something that worked... Leon Osman in a free role. We marched 10 places up the league. Why not stick with it?
 
faddy the blue said:
Neither am I nor should any evertonian but I can't see him as a larger than life stature. SAF took man utd from nothing and has created a kingdom but that doesn't mean that Man Utd fans start to think that they'll be doomed when he leaves. If we're thinking that we'll be doomed after Moyes then take a shower, hit the bricks and get a clue! That's just lame IMO.

Yes he took us to dizzy heights, no doubt about that but back then the quality of the teams wasn't as high as it is now so with time, Moyes needs to change himself just like Jose Mourinho or SAF have done year after year to be successful. If moyes can't do that then no matter how good a squad he retains, it won't make a difference!
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I'm not saying we'll be dommed in getting rids of Moyes. I'm saying replacing a known proven quantity with someone who hasn't managed successfully at this level before (because I don't think anyone else will come here) is a risk.

Maybe that risk will pay off, but maybe it won't. I don't truly think Moyes will achieve anything of note at this club any more but nor do I think he'll get us relegated. A new coach might do either of those things. See Wenger at Arsenal as an example of the former and Charlton after Curbishley for the latter.

It's a risk, like hiring Moyes was a risk, and the nature of risks is that they sometimes work and sometimes don't.
 
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