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[ashwuk76]

Yes. Because I don't think they are. Unless I've missed that election promise.

Read your history mate. They have tried and are still trying too.

 

[chicoazul]

Chico, you are all over the place here.

I have no doubt that you would have that conversation with any board member or player that voted Tory. that makes sense, given what you've said so far. The question I asked was would you want them sold / removed from the board - I'm not waiting to pounce on your answer, i'm just curious what it might be.

What agenda do you think I'm pursuing by asking a hypothetical question? In return, I'll do my best to answer your one provided you would kindly remind me what it was.

He's all over the place but you're convinced he's me? Some right paranoid right winging. Well done.

 

[zzr45]

Read your history mate. They have tried and are still trying too.

There's no excusing the leaked memos with the whole 'managed decline' but that's like me using the argument that I wouldn't vote Labour because they suggested scrapping Trident in the 80s.

Sometimes water needs to pass under the bridge.

 

[ashwuk76]

There's no excusing the leaked memos with the whole 'managed decline' but that's like me using the argument that I wouldn't vote Labour because they suggested scrapping Trident in the 80s.

Sometimes water needs to pass under the bridge.

Mate the Tories wanted to abandon Merseyside. Literally destroy the area the club is in.
If you feel.comfortable with that then I feel sorry for you.

 

[WycombeToffee]

Mate the Tories wanted to abandon Merseyside. Literally destroy the area the club is in.
If you feel.comfortable with that then I feel sorry for you.

*One Tory wanted to, over 30 years ago, and his suggestion was ignored by a government who later invested heavily in the city centre regeneration project, and who have since stabilised the economy for everyone in this country - including in Liverpool.

 

[tsubaki]

*One Tory wanted to, over 30 years ago, and his suggestion was ignored by a government who later invested heavily in the city centre regeneration project, and who have since stabilised the economy for everyone in this country - including in Liverpool.

You have this backwards. One Tory opposed most of his cabinet colleagues, and persuaded them to spend some - but not enough - on regenerating the city. The evident success of this measure was not really picked up by the rest of them, to the extent that the de-industrialization of the North was actually taught at GCSE level whilst it was going on.

As for "stabilizing the economy for everyone in this country" - we have record levels of personal debt, a huge amount of state debt (despite all the cuts, the privatizations and whatnot) and almost all the problems with government finances and the financial sector are still un-resolved by this strong and stable government.

 

[chicoazul]

*One Tory wanted to, over 30 years ago, and his suggestion was ignored by a government who later invested heavily in the city centre regeneration project, and who have since stabilised the economy for everyone in this country - including in Liverpool.

Hahaha. Loving this alternate reality. Amazeballs.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You can't argue with me because you can't. The Tories would love to destroy Merseyside they have been trying for decades.

Who sets the budgets for local councils? The government which is the Tories. They have been cutting council budgets for years including those in London.

That's politics though isn't it? The government budget has been tamed, and rather than doing so across the board so that departments get a similarly sized hit, they've sheltered certainly politically expedient departments (the NHS for instance), and given less expedient departments (local government) a double dose. It hasn't been done rationally, because social care is local government funded, which has had a knock-on effect on the NHS. If anything, it's a good example of why we shouldn't have sacred cows that are untouchable.

So I get that local government funding has been squeezed, but I wasn't aware that Liverpool had been squeezed more than other regions, I'd always assumed it was even across the board. Where is your evidence to support your oft-stated claim that Liverpool as a region is trying to be destroyed?

 

[Groucho]

That's politics though isn't it? The government budget has been tamed, and rather than doing so across the board so that departments get a similarly sized hit, they've sheltered certainly politically expedient departments (the NHS for instance), and given less expedient departments (local government) a double dose. It hasn't been done rationally, because social care is local government funded, which has had a knock-on effect on the NHS. If anything, it's a good example of why we shouldn't have sacred cows that are untouchable.

So I get that local government funding has been squeezed, but I wasn't aware that Liverpool had been squeezed more than other regions, I'd always assumed it was even across the board. Where is your evidence to support your oft-stated claim that Liverpool as a region is trying to be destroyed?

Sadly this is the case mate - I actually think that Knowsley and Sefton councils in our corner of the world are particularly hard hit. That's not to say Liverpool is well off by the way, as we as a region have suffered from cuts quite a bit.

The cuts have been savage for some parts of the country (namely us), and deffo have not been equal across the nation. Which in all honesty strikes one as unfair, I'm sure you'll appreciate.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Sadly this is the case mate - I actually think that Knowsley and Sefton councils in our corner of the world are particularly hard hit. That's not to say Liverpool is well off by the way, as we as a region have suffered from cuts quite a bit.

The cuts have been savage for some parts of the country (namely us), and deffo have not been equal across the nation. Which in all honesty strikes one as unfair, I'm sure you'll appreciate.

Has their been any data published on cuts throughout the country mate? I had a quick Google and couldn't find anything about it. Would be very odd if that was the case.

 

[Groucho]

Has their been any data published on cuts throughout the country mate? I had a quick Google and couldn't find anything about it. Would be very odd if that was the case.

There is somewhere, as it's often quoted on Roger Phillip's BBC radio show here, I'll see if I can dig it out.

Might take a bit of digging.

 

[WycombeToffee]

You have this backwards. One Tory opposed most of his cabinet colleagues, and persuaded them to spend some - but not enough - on regenerating the city. The evident success of this measure was not really picked up by the rest of them, to the extent that the de-industrialization of the North was actually taught at GCSE level whilst it was going on.

As for "stabilizing the economy for everyone in this country" - we have record levels of personal debt, a huge amount of state debt (despite all the cuts, the privatizations and whatnot) and almost all the problems with government finances and the financial sector are still un-resolved by this strong and stable government.

The point is, they don't want to "destroy Liverpool", a starement that is constantly repeated. I've barely heard anything so ridiculous.
Deindustrialisation is a process that has happened in pretty much every major Western nation as technology advances and the world globalises. And as repeated ad infinitum, it would have been impossible for that debt not to increase when you inherit a huge deficit (which is slowly but surely closing). The debt will peak in a few years, then begin to come down.

 

[neil999]

No guarantee corbyn will quit if tories get a big majority is there? that'll be interesting..

 

[COYBL25]

No guarantee corbyn will quit if tories get a big majority is there? that'll be interesting..

I don't believe he will Neil, as it suits him to be in opposition x

 

[ashwuk76]

Has their been any data published on cuts throughout the country mate? I had a quick Google and couldn't find anything about it. Would be very odd if that was the case.

Only one I've found so fsr:
https://www.theguardian.com/society...-burden-falls-again-on-north-and-inner-cities

It's a couple of years old but clearly shows the north is getting the worst of the cuts and Tory councils are not as affected. In fact some have an Increase. And clearly shows Manchester Liverpool and Birmingham getting the biggest cuts. Tories targeting labour councils.