The Everton Board Thread

[Goat]

I dont think anyone is happy (I certainly am not the last few seasons have been utter garbage) but the reality is whats the point of supporting a club like Everton/Villa/WHU/Wolves these days?

You get the odd top 6 finish, you sign a few players, you lose the better players and you fail to replace them at some stage meaning FFP does you over and holds you back for a few years whilst clubs like Man Utd can spend and spend and spend some more regardless of if thet get it right or wrong until they inevitably strike gold.

I've seen fans on here / twitter call other Blues happy clappers yet in the same sentence they'll say they just want Everton to be secure in midtable without fear of a relegation battle.

I mean that is the ambition of clubs like Norwich and Fulham - this is what it is for us now whilst Man City, Chelsea and the rest take turns of hoovering up all the trophies and CL places.

Someone will say "but FB92 look at WHU they finished 6th last season" well Everton finished 6th/7th many times under Moist yet were they really "good times" as Kenwright put it?

I wouldn't say so.

So what is "good times" and can they be realistically achieved in modern day PL with FFP, VAR, 5 subs and what else they plan in the future to continue stacking the odds in the scab 6's favour?

Outside of a Leicester fluke I'm going to say no hence why all this teeth gnashing over the board is 10 years too late.

As @MikeH72 said we arent unhappy that we arent competing with City and Liverpool, but I think its fair to expect us to compete with Brentford and bloody Brighton Hove Albion.

 

[Goat]

I don’t know anyone can look at the mess we’re in and say “oh it’s because we haven’t spent enough because the nasty FFP men won’t let us”. These people are not sound of mind at all.

Since Mosh has been here we have spent well in excess of 1.4billion pounds on wages, players, sacking managers, backhanders to Agents and paying the leeches on the Board.

Not being able to spend money isnt the issue, setting fire to it has been the issue.

 

[HalfTimeSayers]

We can start with the points raised on the flag.

Yes they are making a valid point here. Stating total facts. But what do they want?

 

[MikeH72]

Since Mosh has been here we have spent well in excess of 1.4billion pounds on wages, players, sacking managers, backhanders to Agents and paying the leeches on the Board.

Not being able to spend money isnt the issue, setting fire to it has been the issue.

It’s almost as if just having money and throwing it around isn’t the be all and end all of running a football club. I understand this will be a novel revelation to some.

 

[Goat]

Yes they are making a valid point here. Stating total facts. But what do they want?

A competent Boardroom.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

As @MikeH72 said we arent unhappy that we arent competing with City and Liverpool, but I think its fair to expect us to compete with Brentford and bloody Brighton Hove Albion.

But its never good enough is it? We were finishing top 7 regularly under Moyes for years yet still marched and protested at the board because we rightfully wanted more than just "6th".

So say we do improve and finish 10th 3 years on the spin - does that equal good times or do fans start getting agitated and wanting europe / top 7? Then what happens when we get 7th and europa league/ conference? We want CL and so on and at that point we hit the glass ceiling, we slide down the table and the cycle of angst starts all over as we start to go "backwards".

This is my point - the system itself is broken you're looking at the current position of the club and rightfully want more but when we get more its still not enough for a club our size, our history, our prestige and expectation - but the system in place will always prevent us from having the means to push for the ultimate prize, the "good times" to quote Kenwrong.

 

[HalfTimeSayers]

As @MikeH72 said we arent unhappy that we arent competing with City and Liverpool, but I think its fair to expect us to compete with Brentford and bloody Brighton Hove Albion.

Agree 100%. And we should be disappointed every time we are bottom half, despite our relatively low global income.

But what do the protesters want in response.

What is the ideal statement from Moshiri in response to the protest? Apology? Promise to sell? He can’t promise to spend due to P&S etc.

I think I am being contrary now. Last nights first half has just killed the little enthusiasm I had for dragging myself up from Leicester to watch twice a month ?

 

[Marius57]

I dont think anyone is happy (I certainly am not the last few seasons have been utter garbage) but the reality is whats the point of supporting a club like Everton/Villa/WHU/Wolves these days?

You get the odd top 7 finish, you sign a few players, you eventually lose the better players to the teams above and you fail to replace them at some stage meaning FFP does you over and holds you back for a few years whilst clubs like Man Utd can spend and spend and spend some more regardless of if they get it right or wrong until they inevitably strike gold.

I've seen fans on here / twitter call other Blues happy clappers yet in the same sentence they'll say they just want Everton to be secure in midtable without fear of a relegation battle.

I mean that is the ambition of clubs like Norwich and Fulham - this is what it is for us now whilst Man City, Chelsea and the rest take turns of hoovering up all the trophies and CL places.

Someone will say "but FB92 look at WHU they finished 6th last season" well Everton finished 6th/7th many times under Moist yet were they really "good times" as Kenwright put it?

I wouldn't say so.

So what is "good times" and can they be realistically achieved in modern day PL with FFP, VAR, 5 subs and what else they plan in the future to continue stacking the odds in the scab 6's favour?

Outside of a Leicester fluke I'm going to say no hence why all this teeth gnashing over the board is 10 years too late imo.

I agree, it's unlikely we will be able to compete at the top and win things.

But we have gone from winning more often (so that we can at least have that joy of winning some gamss) to winning less and less, to the point of last season. But we now have a board and owner that is fine with us losing games and just say it was expected. They aren't just fine with if, they actually expect us to lose. How is that even remotely acceptable.

 

[MikeH72]

I agree, it's unlikely we will be able to compete at the top and win things.

But we have gone from winning more often (so that we can at least have that joy of winning some gamss) to winning less and less, to the point of last season. But we now have a board and owner that is fine with us losing games and just say it was expected. They aren't fine, they actually expect us to lose. How is that even remotely acceptable.

But it’s the system’s fault that we’ve spent £500m on footballers to battle relegation broooo

 

[davids]

But its never good enough is it? We were finishing top 7 regularly under Moyes for years yet still marched and protested at the board because we rightfully wanted more than just "6th".

So say we do improve and finish 10th 3 years on the spin - does that equal good times or do fans start getting agitated and wanting europe / top 7? Then what happens when we get 7th and europa league/ conference? We want CL and so on and at that point we hit the glass ceiling, we slide down the table and the cycle of angst starts all over.

This is my point - the system itself is broken you're looking at the current position of the club and rightfully want more but when we get more its still not enough for a club our size, our history? our prestige and expectation - but the system in place will always prevent us from having the means to push for the ultimate prize, the "good times" to quote Kenwrong.

But it didn't stop Leicester City. Avoided relegation,then win the Prem,who'd have thought it.

 

[Goat]

But its never good enough is it? We were finishing top 7 regularly under Moyes for years yet still marched and protested at the board because we rightfully wanted more than just "6th".

So say we do improve and finish 10th 3 years on the spin - does that equal good times or do fans start getting agitated and wanting europe / top 7? Then what happens when we get 7th and europa league/ conference? We want CL and so on and at that point we hit the glass ceiling, we slide down the table and the cycle of angst starts all over.

This is my point - the system itself is broken you're looking at the current position of the club and rightfully want more but when we get more its still not enough for a club our size, our history? our prestige and expectation - but the system in place will always prevent us from having the means to push for the ultimate prize, the "good times" to quote Kenwrong.

You're giving me a hypothetical situation.

When the Blue Union were protesting I never agreed with their aims, I didnt support them, it was a pointless exercise, Bill had no money, it was pissing in the wind.

But now we have an owner willing to invest and we kept the same failings in place, a Chairman who has presided over the worst period in our history, chatting utter wham about good times and you know what, under Moyes, they were good times, THATS how little we have had to cling on to since 95.

So if we "get gud" and we bump up against that glass ceiling, well maybe then I will say "Screw FFP", but thats not now, now we have teams like Palace, Leicester City, WEST HAM and bloody Aston Villa sneering at us.

Something needs to change.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Since Mosh has been here we have spent well in excess of 1.4billion pounds on wages, players, sacking managers, backhanders to Agents and paying the leeches on the Board.

Not being able to spend money isnt the issue, setting fire to it has been the issue.

What the period since the arrival of Moshiri’s millions has proved what we all suspected namely that the whole structure of the club had become so poor and verging on amateur that the whole rickety structure collapsed under the weight of new money.
That is down to Kenwright.
The fact that Moshiri has not identified this defect nor attempted to correct or rebuild this moribund edifice is an ongoing puzzle and a serious concern.

 

[Goat]

Agree 100%. And we should be disappointed every time we are bottom half, despite our relatively low global income.

But what do the protesters want in response.

What is the ideal statement from Moshiri in response to the protest? Apology? Promise to sell? He can’t promise to spend due to P&S etc.

I think I am being contrary now. Last nights first half has just killed the little enthusiasm I had for dragging myself up from Leicester to watch twice a month ?

I dont want words, I want action.

Mosh can stay, the rest really need to pee off.

 

[MikeH72]

I dont want words, I want action.

Mosh can stay, the rest really need to pee off.

Well if he stays then they’re not going to pee off, that’s the point. So no, Mosh can’t stay if we’re to have meaningful change.

 

[Marius57]

I dont want words, I want action.

Mosh can stay, the rest really need to pee off.

I want him to sell up and go. But, if he got rid of the not fit for purpose board, and replaced them with actual footballing people who know what they are doing, and he stopped intervening in footballing matters then I'd happily have him remain.