The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[edge]

Companies will still demand signed NDAs for compliance reasons. And the fact lawyers are usually pretty good at making a case for themselves to earn fees. I'm just saying in real life they are not worth a penny when a deal falls apart

just google nda and uk law this came up.............................................................................................. NDAs are a legally binding contract just like any other agreement made between two or more people, bodies, or companies. There is an offer of confidential information and an acceptance that this information will not be disclosed or exploited without consent. The courts respect them as such ...................havnt a clue myself like but it look like they are binding

 

[Dell Boy]

just google nda and uk law this came up.............................................................................................. NDAs are a legally binding contract just like any other agreement made between two or more people, bodies, or companies. There is an offer of confidential information and an acceptance that this information will not be disclosed or exploited without consent. The courts respect them as such ...................havnt a clue myself like but it look like they are binding

I'm not saying they're not binding. They are a contract like any other. But they are almost impossible to enforce in practice. Take a possible Everton deal and say 20-30 people involved. It only takes one person to anonymously spot a few key details to the media and there we go. How can the club or anyone prove who it was that revealed the details? The answer is they cannot.

The other bit is in terms of claim/damages. Even if someone was identified for breaking an NDA then Everton would have to prove in a court of law what loss they had encountered as a result of that info being revealed. It's a civil matter not a criminal one.

If the deal to say the King of Norway broke down because Kenwright was demanding £250m but Hans Torflick was only going to £100m and someone broke just those simple facts - what could Everton sue for? Aside from the fact that to sue anybody the club would have to reveal all its private details which it is unlikely to want to do.

NDAs are worth nothing at the best of times but even less after the event.

 

[Brennan]

I'm not saying they're not binding. They are a contract like any other. But they are almost impossible to enforce in practice. Take a possible Everton deal and say 20-30 people involved. It only takes one person to anonymously spot a few key details to the media and there we go. How can the club or anyone prove who it was that revealed the details? The answer is they cannot.

The other bit is in terms of claim/damages. Even if someone was identified for breaking an NDA then Everton would have to prove in a court of law what loss they had encountered as a result of that info being revealed. It's a civil matter not a criminal one.

If the deal to say the King of Norway broke down because Kenwright was demanding £250m but Hans Torflick was only going to £100m and someone broke just those simple facts - what could Everton sue for? Aside from the fact that to sue anybody the club would have to reveal all its private details which it is unlikely to want to do.

NDAs are worth nothing at the best of times but even less after the event.

Well if they're so worthless you better go and tell all these companies to stop taking them out.

 

[steken1]

I havent got a clue what you mean by that. If you seriously believe a few signed NDAs would stop any serious interest being revealed then you have clearly never been within a mile of a serious commercial deal in your life.

If you seriously think after the club being for sale since the day he bought it, not one single company or individual from the 10 a year he supposedly speaks to, have sought to make an interest public knowing there's no legal recourse as "thier not worth the paper thier written on" then neither have you. Surely just one would have taken that course of action???

You'll be talking about hostile takeovers next.

 

[edge]

I'm not saying they're not binding. They are a contract like any other. But they are almost impossible to enforce in practice. Take a possible Everton deal and say 20-30 people involved. It only takes one person to anonymously spot a few key details to the media and there we go. How can the club or anyone prove who it was that revealed the details? The answer is they cannot.The other bit is in terms of claim/damages. Even if someone was identified for breaking an NDA then Everton would have to prove in a court of law what loss they had encountered as a result of that info being revealed. It's a civil matter not a criminal one. If the deal to say the King of Norway broke down because Kenwright was demanding £250m but Hans Torflick was only going to £100m and someone broke just those simple facts - what could Everton sue for? Aside from the fact that to sue anybody the club would have to reveal all its private details which it is unlikely to want to do.NDAs are worth nothing at the best of times but even less after the event.

i get what your saying Dell boy, it does look open to abuse to me, not that i am in that game, but just have a look it says people have been done for it , how would it work if you had a buisness up for sale and you give a party info on it, then they used it to gain from it or hurt your buisness, ie reveal your sales figures, how many loans ect to drive the price down, must surly be a way of stopping that, someone on here will have an answer never fails to amaze me the wealth of knowledge on here,intresting subject really

 

[Dell Boy]

Well if they're so worthless you better go and tell all these companies to stop taking them out.

It's hardly rocket science mate. NDAs can work in a very personal direct relationship say if you employ someone that they alone have access to confidential information. But either once the group privy to that info expands to say more than 5 or 6 or the potential loss is virtually impossible to prove then they are worthless.

 

[Dell Boy]

i get what your saying Dell boy, it does look open to abuse to me, not that i am in that game, but just have a look it says people have been done for it , how would it work if you had a buisness up for sale and you give a party info on it, then they used it to gain from it or hurt your buisness, ie reveal your sales figures, how many loans ect to drive the price down, must surly be a way of stopping that, someone on here will have an answer never fails to amaze me the wealth of knowledge on here,intresting subject really

But that's different mate. Yes revealing detailed info on the business would be a serious matter (but still almost impossible to point a finger at one person once its out in a group of people) but a very basic headline if you will of "Bill turns down Norwegians £100m offer for club" is all it would take. Instantly then I think a silent majority of the likes of me would be up in arms against Kenwright.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I havent got a clue what you mean by that. If you seriously believe a few signed NDAs would stop any serious interest being revealed then you have clearly never been within a mile of a serious commercial deal in your life.

Not if it got close to completion & one side wanted to force it perhaps, but an NDA would deter all but those those without a reason for wanting to use the media in order to potentially progress their offer.

The bottom line is, that there's only 2 potential reasons why it hasn't been sold after all this time of supposedly being on the market.

1. The price
2. There's no real will to move it on.

You can sell anything at any time if the price is right, so for me it's probably a combination of the 2.

 

[D410]

why hasnt there been any serious bidders do you think?

That,s the tip off edge. They don,t want us to know the sale price of the club which means they can carry on "operation stagnation" until they can mug someone off for the whole thing and then walk over the horizon.

13 Years later, still no buyers because no is stupid enough to be mugged off.

Still we can,t allow the fans to think Mr Everton wants to be Mr Gecko.

 

[Dell Boy]

Not if it got close to completion & one side wanted to force it perhaps, but an NDA would deter all but those those without a reason for wanting to use the media in order to potentially progress their offer.

The bottom line is, that there's only 2 potential reasons why it hasn't been sold after all this time of supposedly being on the market.

1. The price
2. There's no real will to move it on.

You can sell anything at any time if the price is right, so for me it's probably a combination of the 2.

I don't think an NDA would deter any serious party.

But in terms of price I read on here that Kenwright is backed up by these shadey business men who are only in it for the cash.

Surely you'd agree that the likes of Philip Green et al know the price of bread and what it takes to make a deal. If they want a return on their money they are not going to allow Kenwright to enjoy his ego trip whilst asking for £250m if it's really only worth £50m.

You can't have both hardnosed businessmen as villans behind the scenes on one hand and then the old romantic theatre guy running the show on the other

 

[Sharpys top lip]

Bloody hell do you not see the irony in that post? That exact statement (minus the gay bit - live and let live and all that) is all that the Blue Union are/were about. They had nothing constructive to say or shout about. No alternative to Kenwright. No "smoking gun" exposing any wrongdoing. No secret formula for all of a sudden improving the commercial deals. Nothing.

As a team, as a club we are in a better state now than we were before Kenwright took over. I fail to see how anyone can disagree with that. We've got a better team and are doing okay at the right end of a very competitive deal. Yes the debt has gone up but so too has the TV money. The club had a rotten infrastructure when Kenwright took over and we're now four years into the worst recession seen for a hundred years.

So what have the Blue Union established? They had a rambling chat with Bill and guess what exposed a 67 year old theatre producer for sounding like a......67 year old theatre producer.

I'd love to see a new owner - with half decent credentials - come in any put money into the club. That's what all fans want and Kenwright has said so himself. If the Blue Union had even played it half right they could have been holding the board to task in a constructive sense instead of the current set-up.

you are beyond deluded. Or just plain think. If you really, really can't see what's going on, it's not even worth talking with you.

 

[davek]

That,s the tip off edge. They don,t want us to know the sale price of the club which means they can carry on "operation stagnation" until they can mug someone off for the whole thing and then walk over the horizon.

13 Years later, still no buyers because no is stupid enough to be mugged off.

Still we can,t allow the fans to think Mr Everton wants to be Mr Gecko.

That's why 'best Evertonian ever' Bill and his fellow carpet baggers ALWAYS knock back requests for a share issue to pump some money into the club. They want the full whack off the proportion they already hold. Bill doesnt want any old Tom, Dick or Harry holding a piece of 'his' football club. It's also why Kewnright buys up any spare shares - so he can squeeze a bit more out of the club he 'loves'.

Bottom line is that Everton are the Kenwright family's retirement nest egg plan. The apologists know it too. I doubt they care though, they're just in the game of defending him for the odd free ticket or pat on the head from 'the best Evertonian ever'...aren't you lads?

Lol!

 

[steken1]

Our artificially low deals with RETAIL and CATERING partners are providing someone with a nest egg. I don't even believe that Bill has any say TBH.

 

[davek]

Our artificially low deals with RETAIL and CATERING partners are providing someone with a nest egg. I don't even believe that Bill has any say TBH.

He wont have a clue and will still less care. All he'll be arsed about with deals like that is they mean he and the other carpet baggers on the board dont have to invest penny one into the club. He doesn't care it locks the club into a decade of poor returns on that stuff. He cares about keeping his outgoings down and the sale of the club for mega money. Sell a player/sell a training ground/strike a short term commercial deal = all the same to the best Evertonian ever. It all makes perfect sense to his bank manager...that's the important thing.

Biggest disaster to this club since John Houdling. If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times.

 

[neil999]

That's why 'best Evertonian ever' Bill and his fellow carpet baggers ALWAYS knock back requests for a share issue to pump some money into the club. They want the full whack off the proportion they already hold. Bill doesnt want any old Tom, Dick or Harry holding a piece of 'his' football club. It's also why Kewnright buys up any spare shares - so he can squeeze a bit more out of the club he 'loves'.

Bottom line is that Everton are the Kenwright family's retirement nest egg plan. The apologists know it too. I doubt they care though, they're just in the game of defending him for the odd free ticket or pat on the head from 'the best Evertonian ever'...aren't you lads?

Lol!

and people call him an idiot..hes a genius! he gets to be chairman of the club he supports, have some fun with the media, the majority of fans think hes ok..just has to deal with a few cat calls from the blue union

then he sells and makes a tidy profit, clever chap