The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[edge]

Sorry Dell Boy you're getting this all wrong.We're in a better position because of one man and he's not a theatre producer.We're still financially well behind our rivals in every area, we probably have less fixed assets and we have a larger debt. Which is a clear worry.We owned Bellfield sold it and got finch farm, we didn't even own that. So there's one assets down already.We're that reliant on guaranteed cash we have signed up to deals with the likes of kitbag and that Sodexo just to guarantee cash for the banks.

you can add, the nertherton training ground to the list of sold things as well, think they also bought and sold some land just off walton lane elleen craven school former site

 

[By god I'm blue]

Bloody hell do you not see the irony in that post? That exact statement (minus the gay bit - live and let live and all that) is all that the Blue Union are/were about. They had nothing constructive to say or shout about. No alternative to Kenwright. No "smoking gun" exposing any wrongdoing. No secret formula for all of a sudden improving the commercial deals. Nothing.

As a team, as a club we are in a better state now than we were before Kenwright took over. I fail to see how anyone can disagree with that. We've got a better team and are doing okay at the right end of a very competitive deal. Yes the debt has gone up but so too has the TV money. The club had a rotten infrastructure when Kenwright took over and we're now four years into the worst recession seen for a hundred years.

So what have the Blue Union established? They had a rambling chat with Bill and guess what exposed a 67 year old theatre producer for sounding like a......67 year old theatre producer.

I'd love to see a new owner - with half decent credentials - come in any put money into the club. That's what all fans want and Kenwright has said so himself. If the Blue Union had even played it half right they could have been holding the board to task in a constructive sense instead of the current set-up.

Firstly, to say we are in a better state now as a club is jaw droppingly, coffee all over the laptop spitting, side splitting and incorrect statement I have ever witnessed in all my years on these boards.

In what way are we better off? as pointed out to you, Bellfield gone - new training ground rented. Not able to go to the banks as they won't touch the club with a barge pole. Record debts, season tickets mortgaged, poor sponsorship deals etc etc etc.

On top of that the lies, lies and lies to try and get the club to move to Kirkby.

The only actual improvement is the performance of the team who Moyes has managed to keep consistently in the top half of the league.

In my mind, KEIOC are the greatest Evertonians out there, they called it right from the off and showed the board up for what they are. I wonder if you were against them as well by any chance?

 

[Dell Boy]

Not to sure you have heard about a little document we force them to sign before negotiating....

Sorry but you clearly have no experience in business? Confidentiality agreements and non-disclousre agreements are not worth the paper they are written on. Much less so when a deal falls apart.

If a serious party had come forward with serious cash and Kenwright stuck two fingers up then there would be literally dozens of people involved in the deal on both sides of the table. And not just the potential buyers themselves, but all their hangers on and the various Everton staff would all benefit from a deal going through. All any one of them would have had to do would be to give the name of the interested party and a random fact or two such as an offer price or some other terms to a media outlet of any kind.

It happens all of the time. But not once for Everton. That for me is proof positive that there hasn't been a serious party at the table.

 

[Ihaters]

Firstly, to say we are in a better state now as a club is jaw droppingly, coffee all over the laptop spitting, side splitting and incorrect statement I have ever witnessed in all my years on these boards.

In what way are we better off? as pointed out to you, Bellfield gone - new training ground rented. Not able to go to the banks as they won't touch the club with a barge pole. Record debts, season tickets mortgaged, poor sponsorship deals etc etc etc.

On top of that the lies, lies and lies to try and get the club to move to Kirkby.

The only actual improvement is the performance of the team who Moyes has managed to keep consistently in the top half of the league.

In my mind, KEIOC are the greatest Evertonians out there, they called it right from the off and showed the board up for what they are. I wonder if you were against them as well by any chance?

No.. That is all.

 

[By god I'm blue]

No.. That is all.

Done more for the fans of Everton Football Club in 2 years than this phoney self serving board have done in over 10 years....all in my opinion of course

 

[D410]

Sorry but you clearly have no experience in business? Confidentiality agreements and non-disclousre agreements are not worth the paper they are written on. Much less so when a deal falls apart.

If a serious party had come forward with serious cash and Kenwright stuck two fingers up then there would be literally dozens of people involved in the deal on both sides of the table. And not just the potential buyers themselves, but all their hangers on and the various Everton staff would all benefit from a deal going through. All any one of them would have had to do would be to give the name of the interested party and a random fact or two such as an offer price or some other terms to a media outlet of any kind.

It happens all of the time. But not once for Everton. That for me is proof positive that there hasn't been a serious party at the table.

So when Bill came forward to tell the media that he had over a dozen NDA,s in circulation at one time - he was just pouring money down the drain with the clubs legal team that had drawn up the documents.

I believe that a small proportion of the fan base will not hear or see no evil and for that reason I am out of this debate.

 

[edge]

Sorry but you clearly have no experience in business? Confidentiality agreements and non-disclousre agreements are not worth the paper they are written on. Much less so when a deal falls apart.If a serious party had come forward with serious cash and Kenwright stuck two fingers up then there would be literally dozens of people involved in the deal on both sides of the table. And not just the potential buyers themselves, but all their hangers on and the various Everton staff would all benefit from a deal going through. All any one of them would have had to do would be to give the name of the interested party and a random fact or two such as an offer price or some other terms to a media outlet of any kind. It happens all of the time. But not once for Everton. That for me is proof positive that there hasn't been a serious party at the table.

why hasnt there been any serious bidders do you think?

 

[Dell Boy]

Sorry Dell Boy you're getting this all wrong.

We're in a better position because of one man and he's not a theatre producer.

We're still financially well behind our rivals in every area, we probably have less fixed assets and we have a larger debt. Which is a clear worry.

We owned Bellfield sold it and got finch farm, we didn't even own that. So there's one assets down already.

We're that reliant on guaranteed cash we have signed up to deals with the likes of kitbag and that Sodexo just to guarantee cash for the banks.

Agreed we're very lucky to have Moyes. He has done a briliant job. Likewise you've got to agree that if we had a series of crap managers then Kenwright would be blamed for that as well. So he's got to get some credit for one of the only real jobs he has of appointing a manager and sticking with him.

When Johnson sold to Kenwright were we not then well behind our rivals in every area? Kenwright had no competition to buy from Johnson. He did so saying he didnt have millions to throw in. There have been no new investors at the door so why would you hammer Kenwright for not working miracles?

Debt as a proportion of turnover is the key stat. I'm not sure how that looks compared to when Kenwright took over. I agree it's a worry of course but what's the alternative?

Bellfield/Finch Farm are nothing compared to the wider picture.

Re Kitbag and Sodexo - are you saying the club deliberately set out not to do the best deal they could? In terms of the latter we have next to no corporate deals. Our existing lounges don't even sell out and I know there's hardly a queue for boxes.

 

[steken1]

Sorry but you clearly have no experience in business? Confidentiality agreements and non-disclousre agreements are not worth the paper they are written on. Much less so when a deal falls apart.

If a serious party had come forward with serious cash and Kenwright stuck two fingers up then there would be literally dozens of people involved in the deal on both sides of the table. And not just the potential buyers themselves, but all their hangers on and the various Everton staff would all benefit from a deal going through. All any one of them would have had to do would be to give the name of the interested party and a random fact or two such as an offer price or some other terms to a media outlet of any kind.

It happens all of the time. But not once for Everton. That for me is proof positive that there hasn't been a serious party at the table.

You got buzzed off last tiume you tried this nonsense. It won't make it true no matter how many times you type it.

 

[By god I'm blue]

Dell Boy = Dresden Blue?

by any chance?

 

[Dell Boy]

Firstly, to say we are in a better state now as a club is jaw droppingly, coffee all over the laptop spitting, side splitting and incorrect statement I have ever witnessed in all my years on these boards.

In what way are we better off? as pointed out to you, Bellfield gone - new training ground rented. Not able to go to the banks as they won't touch the club with a barge pole. Record debts, season tickets mortgaged, poor sponsorship deals etc etc etc.

On top of that the lies, lies and lies to try and get the club to move to Kirkby.

The only actual improvement is the performance of the team who Moyes has managed to keep consistently in the top half of the league.

In my mind, KEIOC are the greatest Evertonians out there, they called it right from the off and showed the board up for what they are. I wonder if you were against them as well by any chance?

I was against the move to Kirkby. I love Goodison and if there was any way to develop on the site I'd love that. That said I do think Kings Dock was the one we missed out on.

Do you not appreciate how bad a state the club was in when Johnson sold? To do better than that is not very hard. I'm not saying we're doing great at all by the way. It's all relative.

We're in a better state now as we're a footy team first and foremost. The team now is lightyears ahead of where it was 11 years ago. As a business a hugh proportion of our cash comes from TV and place money. As a business we're doing better in these regards than we were 11 yearas ago. Yes debt has gone up but what's the alternative? As an aside do you know what the dent/turnover ratio was 11 years ago? I don't either as it happens but its too simple to look at gross debt when the turnover is higher.

 

[Dell Boy]

So when Bill came forward to tell the media that he had over a dozen NDA,s in circulation at one time - he was just pouring money down the drain with the clubs legal team that had drawn up the documents.

I believe that a small proportion of the fan base will not hear or see no evil and for that reason I am out of this debate.

Companies will still demand signed NDAs for compliance reasons. And the fact lawyers are usually pretty good at making a case for themselves to earn fees. I'm just saying in real life they are not worth a penny when a deal falls apart

 

[Ihaters]

The 'Blue Union' deflection ploy. 13 years of disastrous management and all the people who are "honestly not a supporter of Kenwright..." have to offer is the bogeymen of the BU and KEIOC to cover the tracks of our majority owners.

Hopeless.

Sorry lads, this debate was won long ago. Your side lost.

What if you think they are all s**t?

 

[Dell Boy]

why hasnt there been any serious bidders do you think?

The club is a basket case. It was before Kenwright and it is now.

The ground is falling apart and we have limited commercial income outside the TV money. We're also hamstrung by being the second team in a poor city. That pains me to say it as much as anyone but our chance was to build on the mid-80s success we all remember a bit too much. We didn't and we're now paying the price.

 

[Dell Boy]

You got buzzed off last tiume you tried this nonsense. It won't make it true no matter how many times you type it.

I havent got a clue what you mean by that. If you seriously believe a few signed NDAs would stop any serious interest being revealed then you have clearly never been within a mile of a serious commercial deal in your life.