The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Goat]

The club is:

Off the field: Biggest debt in the club's history. Making a loss every year. Doesn't own it's own training ground. In a stadium the board itself says is outdated.

On the field: Being out spent by 16 other english clubs. Enduring the joint longest trophy droubt in our proud history. Selling a player every year.

Clap Clap Clap

And people say we dont need Moyes, LOL.

 

[Dell Boy]

The club is:

Off the field: Biggest debt in the club's history. Making a loss every year. Doesn't own it's own training ground. In a stadium the board itself says is outdated.

On the field: Being out spent by 16 other english clubs. Enduring the joint longest trophy droubt in our proud history. Selling a player every year.

There's a shortage of cash. Agreed. But what could/should the board do that would make a significant difference?

Also, in respect of "biggest debt", would be interested to see if that's true historically relative to turnover/income.

 

[Del]

There's a shortage of cash. Agreed. But what could/should the board do that would make a significant difference?

Also, in respect of "biggest debt", would be interested to see if that's true historically relative to turnover/income.

Drop there asking price to something that resembles the true value of the club

 

[steken1]

Sorry but confidentiality agreements are not worth ****. In today's world of global sports journalism and intenet sites it would be a doddle to get out the key info.

Also you seem to be contradicting yourself.

IF Green and Earl are involved as serious businessmen then they want a profit. Why would they have turned down the runoured countless of serious parties if they were indeed ever serious? You can't have it both ways.

Considering that 10-12 parties a year express interest, more than one group have got to DD, according to Elstone, and yet the debate still rages about something so simplistic as the asking price, so I'd have to disagree with you on the confidentiality score.

Also Bill whether by skill or luck is now aligned as mr Everton. A lot see attacking him as attacking the club. Even valid criticisms will create nasty responses(see the David Gold thread). More to the point hostile takeovers of football clubs are entirely uneseccesary as there are myriad other similar businesses that don't require the effort and money and have a similar scope for improvement.

With regards to Green and Earl I believe they most likely are making money out of the club in some way or other. Bridging loans, artificially low sponsorship and kit deals, all aspects of club business outsourced and ground moves to town without the infrastructure to support them in support of retail developments all suggest somebodys getting something out of Everton, just not us.

 

[Allezfan]

There's a shortage of cash. Agreed. But what could/should the board do that would make a significant difference?

Also, in respect of "biggest debt", would be interested to see if that's true historically relative to turnover/income.

Not a buisnessman, myself. I couldn't tell you. Our sponsership deals are less then most of our rivals, so are our ticket prices and our kits are harder to get a hold of. Maybe those are all sensible decisions given our situation, maybe they're not.

Maybe we're for sale at a resonable price or maybe the three and four people who've said we're asking for more than hundred million are right, again I don't know.

It could be that you're right and they've done the best job they can but the club just isn't attracting the money that goes elsewhere. It doesn't matter. The facts are they've failed to turn the club profitable and also failed to find a buyer or investment. Those were their two main aims, by their own admission, and they've achieved neither.

What I do know is you can't say they've improved the club when we're so skint and losing money. And you can't say that we don't need a takeover, when the board itself has admitted repeatedly that we can't do anything without investment. And don't know how you can say they're competant when their primary task, in their own words, has been to find investment for eleven years and they've compeltely failed to do so.

And I don't see how an Everton fan can be happy with no trophy for 17 years.

 

[Bluesnapper]

That's just not logical though. Why would Green et al not want to cash in their loans? You can't say on the one hand that Kenwright is an idiot without a penny in his pocket but at the next minute say he's got the final say on millions of loans from Green etc?

Why would Green get off his backside for £10million when he is worth upwards £3.3Billion.

He may as leave it where it is.

 

[Dell Boy]

Drop there asking price to something that resembles the true value of the club

But that's all just gossip Dad!

 

[Dell Boy]

Why would Green get off his backside for £10million when he is worth upwards £3.3Billion.

He may as leave it where it is.

Businessmen look for a return on cash employed. A decent percentage profit is what ticks the box.

 

[Bluesnapper]

Businessmen look for a return on cash employed. A decent percentage profit is what ticks the box.

But he isnt arsed by such a (relatively) piddling amount £10million against £3,300million.

 

[Dell Boy]

Not a buisnessman, myself. I couldn't tell you. Our sponsership deals are less then most of our rivals, so are our ticket prices and our kits are harder to get a hold of. Maybe those are all sensible decisions given our situation, maybe they're not.

Maybe we're for sale at a resonable price or maybe the three and four people who've said we're asking for more than hundred million are right, again I don't know.

It could be that you're right and they've done the best job they can but the club just isn't attracting the money that goes elsewhere. It doesn't matter. The facts are they've failed to turn the club profitable and also failed to find a buyer or investment. Those were their two main aims, by their own admission, and they've achieved neither.

What I do know is you can't say they've improved the club when we're so skint and losing money. And you can't say that we don't need a takeover, when the board itself has admitted repeatedly that we can't do anything without investment. And don't know how you can say they're competant when their primary task, in their own words, has been to find investment for eleven years and they've compeltely failed to do so.

And I don't see how an Everton fan can be happy with no trophy for 17 years.

But who are our "rivals" that you compare us to? I do think the club's senior staff are doing their best but from a business/marketing perspective, our "offer" is poor compared to most.

With regards viable offers for the club I just cannot believe if, over a 10 year period, there were a host of people who'd done their due diligence and said to Kenwright "look Bill here's £40m based on these comparables and this profit/loss calculation and this view of future TV money" only to be told "sorry mate, it's £150m or bugger off" that nothing - NOTHING - would ever get out. Just wouldn't happen.

The club has not been profitable granted. But that isn't the sole objective is it?

I've never said we don't need a takeover. I would welcome new investment into my club.

Also I'm not going to go overboard in the praise of the board. In my opinion, the club is better now than it was 11 years ago. I believe, as a business, it is worth more now than it was then (crap in an average league against competitive in the global branded Premiership world).

And I am not happy to be without a trophy for 17 years. Not at all and have never said as much.

If there was a single viable interested party in the club I'd gladly offer it support. What I don't agree with is trying to destablise a club when there's no such party waiting in the wings (as far as I know).

 

[Dell Boy]

But he isnt arsed by such a (relatively) piddling amount £10million against £3,300million.

No chance. If someone invested £10m they'd gladly accept a decent percentage return. Green runs a massive business empire where margins count.

 

[Allezfan]

Trevor Birch used to be our head executive and he claims the asking price is 150 million, Charles Green has bought a british football club recently and he claims the asking price is more than that. We're not talking guys off the street coming up with these figures.

And more than ten premier league football clubs make more money on sponsorship then we do. It's not like we're just getting worse deals than man U and liverpool. We shouldn't be stuck back in 11th in that sort or thing. There just aren't ten bigger clubs in the country.

I agree that the baord has to take some credit for our on pitch success because they hired and stuck by every single person working at the club. So their success is at least partly the board's success. But our on pitch success isn't exactly legendary. No trophies, an average league position of 7th. It's not exactly the glory days. Combine that with our debt and losses and the lack of stadium improvement and I do think the club hasn't improved much.

 

[Bluesnapper]

No chance. If someone invested £10m they'd gladly accept a decent percentage return. Green runs a massive business empire where margins count.

Bring it down to more of a street level, you must be around the proverbial bend if you believe someone can even work a sweat up chasing 10p if they had £33.00 to hand.

 

[steken1]

Bring it down to more of a street level, you must be around the proverbial bend if you believe someone can even work a sweat up chasing 10p if they had £33.00 to hand.

Not if they got that £33.00 by chasing 10ps mate. That's how these people get as rich as they do.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Hi Dell

I control a top 100 major venture capital business you will defintely have heard of, and hold an Oxbridge law degree and MBA. I would just like to support your view that supporters should stop interfering in the club's business affairs, chill out and learn to enjoy the minor successes we achieve as the club drifts towards oblivion.