The Everton Board Thread 2015/16 [ Not takeover related ]

[Pacman]

The big obstacle will be that with the new TV deal I can see a number of owners who bought into the prem looking to sell now to make that big profit. I think the likes of Lerner, Short, FSG among others will be looking to cash in and sadly I think the asking price for us/the cost of a new stadium will put us in the back of the pecking order once again.

 

[davek]

Isn't that the nature of private companies with private individuals as shareholders though? Are Everton any different from any other private company in that respect?

Without having access to the books and doing due diligence on any shareholder agreements that may or may not be in place, everything is speculation.

Of course we are all entitled to speculate and I understand why you draw the conclusions you do, but ultimately that is all it is.

Of clourse. It's speculation, there's no documented proof to back up what I'm saying. However, there are known events and incidents that can act as a guide - chief of which was the weakness of the current largest shareonwer to fend off a takeover and the bureaucratic manoeuvrings he deployed to drag out a conclusion to that struggle until *from somewhere* he was able to see Gregg off. The Kirkby fiasco was not a Bill Kenwright production and I think we could all see from it that de facto control of the club lay elsewhere at that point.

In no sense does this club's recent history off the pitch stack up as a period that the chairman of the club would have overseen if he had the kind of power he apparently holds. I refuse to accept the counter argument, so fantastic is it.

 

[davek]

I would have thought that without significant guaranteed income streams that the King's Dock wouldn't have been a viable proposition, but given it's design it may well have been a gold-mine.
If you agree that the board would not have left themselves open to criminal prosecution, then you agree that no illegal activity has occured.
Knowing without knowing is an interesting turn of phrase - do I take it that it means that you have a gut feeling with no evidence to support it.
Regarding the shares,you ultimately admit that they are owned by the people stated in the accounts, but this contradicts your initial assertion of labyrinthine ownership.
As to who they pass to in the future, the answer is simple - whoever they are sold to.
Have you put any verifiable fact forward to support your initial conspiracy theory?
Have you contradicted yourself?
Think this is an agree to disagree situation.
Just for the record, I do want the club sold, I do want fresh investment and I think BK is neither the devil incarnate nor the Messiah.

The labyrinthine claim/guess: I dont see the contradiction as a theory, as it goes down to a matter of trust. Shares/assets can and are in reality often held in other people's names - between members of a family, for example. Obviously the people we are talking about are very close, they're not casual business acquaintances.

It is a difference of opinion based on two sources of knowledge. I accept that you are dealing in empirically verifiable data concerning accounts and that you deploy company law to effect. On the other hand, I deploy knowledge of the history over the struggle of Everton's ownership and the dishonest and covert manner that was carried out, the likelihood of a man without the wherewithal to stay in control staying in control for 16 years, his known associates and their own public utterances of their connection to Kenwright (and his own acceptance of their informal involvement with him and the club), and the recent attempts to push the club down a route that no free-to-operate Evertonian chairman/largest share holder would wish to push the club.

It's all happened now. My concern is that if/when there is a change in circumstance at the club that there will be no clean break from what's gone on. That's my only concern. And for the reasons I set out I do think there's going to be no simple transference of ownership.

 

[joey_macmo]

youre late, not shocked anymore. the new low has been set.

The Low that will never be beaten was the person who suggested Mansour wasn't good for City about 6 moths ago.

Saying Lerner is better than Kenwright isn't even in the same galaxy as that

 

[blueboy1945]

In what?

The latest rumour my friend.

 

[TheFinnFan]

The latest rumour my friend.

Chang?

 

[blueboy1945]

Chang?

Yes thats right. Can't think why Mr Kenwright would, in his current poor health, travel from London and attend the match unless there was something significant behind it. Just my gut feeling that's all.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Yes thats right. Can't think why Mr Kenwright would, in his current poor health, travel from London and attend the match unless there was something significant behind it. Just my gut feeling that's all.

I quess Chang peeps could be seen as quite good option for us. Familiar people to the club n all...Lets see x

 

[chippy1722]

Yes thats right. Can't think why Mr Kenwright would, in his current poor health, travel from London and attend the match unless there was something significant behind it. Just my gut feeling that's all.

He appeared to see his plane, same as the only time you ever see him in the media is when we are in Europe, or Granada reports want an Interview when we are doing really well.

 

[blueboy1945]

He appeared to see his plane, same as the only time you ever see him in the media is when we are in Europe, or Granada reports want an Interview when we are doing really well.

Bit cynical that mate.

 

[ToffeeDan]

Big News afoot. I believe within 3 weeks.

Taps nose. Celebrates with a beer.

Seems some are up to speed with things. Last few words offer a significant hint.

Came from shareholder with direct info.

Anyway back to the control question. I have always believed that Gregg has us by the short and curlies in order that he keeps picking up his share of interest on loans. How much control I don't know but I beg to suggest it is significant.

 

[neil999]

Seems some are up to speed with things. Last few words offer a significant hint.

Came from shareholder with direct info.

Anyway back to the control question. I have always believed that Gregg has us by the short and curlies in order that he keeps picking up his share of interest on loans. How much control I don't know but I beg to suggest it is significant.

something to do with noses?

interesting...

 

[neil999]

a nose trimmer company?

kleenex?

 

[royalbalou]

something to do with noses?

interesting...

someone has to be in the no-se

S'not a very good one that

 

[onlyme]

Seems some are up to speed with things. Last few words offer a significant hint.

Came from shareholder with direct info.

Anyway back to the control question. I have always believed that Gregg has us by the short and curlies in order that he keeps picking up his share of interest on loans. How much control I don't know but I beg to suggest it is significant.

Sorry have i missed something, didn't he sell all his shares when the Kings Dock proposal failed ?