Swearing Warnings?


Rehnman said:
I don't think it's an either/or - about thirty seconds into the Spurs game, Beto had his first touch of the game (a bad one!) and the guy behind me started SCREAMING "dogsh*te! Dogsh*te! Dogsh***te!!!" over and over and over. If he'd missed a sitter in the last minute it would have been extreme, but for his first touch of the game it was unhinged. I'd say that's definitely on the same level as the silent sitters for complete and utter non-support!
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Agree, that's a difference for me. Yellow cards handed out by the club is a bit embarrassing, out of touch and not the way to deal with this.

If we're being honest though we all know that there's a certain type of fella who shows up to the game and basically uses it as an outlet to release all of his repressed anger from life. Have had similar experiences to this sitting next to guys who are practically foaming at the mouth from minute 1 of the game, shouting the odds at players in a pretty unpleasant manner before the game has gone either way.

At that point it's not good for anyone, not good for the players, not good for surrounding fans and the atmosphere.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
The club should just outright say what the people have done to warrant these things. Because by keeping quiet they just leave it open to interpretation. If its racial or homophic in nature then then I'd like to know why they're being so shy about it. Shame those doing it. If however its just swearing (which is exactly what this is) then they might as well admit it. Just admit that they don't want us old school working class dinosaurs at the match anymore and would like us to either learn our place or move on for someone else to pay even more money for the privilege of watching the Merseyside Toffee Franchise playing soccer-ball.
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If it was about racist or homophobic language, club wouldn't put stickers on seats. And they wouldn't need to put warnings on seats. view is that, some fans have just cottoned on to fact you can snitch anonymously to club and get rid of supporters you don't like, so you can eat your Prawn Sandwiches in peace. My view is that increasingly people live in a world of their own and are unable to deal with people they don't like or opinions they disagree with. Also club want to get rid of working class supporters and replace them with tourists. People say offensive things at matches, mostly people know boundaries. If people went over top, our fans would police ourselves. If your offended by swearing stay at home. They didn't have them on seats at GP, why at Bramley Moore? When Everton had exactly same rules with regards to racist abuse. It seems an easy way to ban fans based on a vague accusation. "Offensive language" is highly subjective and is extremely vague.
 

preposterousvelios said:
Agree, that's a difference for me. Yellow cards handed out by the club is a bit embarrassing, out of touch and not the way to deal with this.

If we're being honest though we all know that there's a certain type of fella who shows up to the game and basically uses it as an outlet to release all of his repressed anger from life. Have had similar experiences to this sitting next to guys who are practically foaming at the mouth from minute 1 of the game, shouting the odds at players in a pretty unpleasant manner before the game has gone either way.

At that point it's not good for anyone, not good for the players, not good for surrounding fans and the atmosphere.
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I agree somewhat, I didn't notice as much bad language when I had a season ticket, compared to recently. Other than odd drunken idiot, most fans swore at valid things. But I still don't agree with yellow cards. In think now people increasingly live insular lives, they don't know their neighbours, they don't go to local pub. So when they hear views or language they don't like, it's considered extreme, whereas in past, you knew that gobby people would eventually meet wrong person and get their face smashed in, so you ignored them. I'd guess you know have more middle class professionals, sitting near people who aren't as articulate and they can't handle it. So snitch to club, when somebody shouts at Jack Grealish.
 
JelavicBrate2 said:
I agree somewhat, I didn't notice as much bad language when I had a season ticket, compared to recently. Other than odd drunken idiot, most fans swore at valid things. But I still don't agree with yellow cards. In think now people increasingly live insular lives, they don't know their neighbours, they don't go to local pub. So when they hear views or language they don't like, it's considered extreme, whereas in past, you knew that gobby people would eventually meet wrong person and get their face smashed in, so you ignored them. I'd guess you know have more middle class professionals, sitting near people who aren't as articulate and they can't handle it. So snitch to club, when somebody shouts at Jack Grealish.
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Dunno, I agree with what you're saying about people having lost the ability to coexist and be around people different to them. That's definitely the case in football, politics and general life. What me and op i was replying to were saying though is that while there might be a bit of that (or even a lot of that) going on in relation to these warnings being given out, there also are definitely people who behave inappropriately, in a genuinely abusive manner to players and those around them. In my view there are guys who go to the game basically only for that purpose - to blow off steam.

This isn't exclusive to Everton by any means, happens at every club up and down the country. I have no problem with fume, boo's and anger during a game like what we suffered through the other day for example. I think that's different to people that go after a certain player they don't like or don't think should be playing, in an aggressive manner from literally the moment the game kicks off. I've been going games for 20+ years and that's not new and is something that has always, always bothered me. Nothing to do with changes in society and changing social expectations people have of one another. Just knobhead behaviour imo.
 
preposterousvelios said:
Dunno, I agree with what you're saying about people having lost the ability to coexist and be around people different to them. That's definitely the case in football, politics and general life. What me and op i was replying to were saying though is that while there might be a bit of that (or even a lot of that) going on in relation to these warnings being given out, there also are definitely people who behave inappropriately, in a genuinely abusive manner to players and those around them. In my view there are guys who go to the game basically only for that purpose - to blow off steam.

This isn't exclusive to Everton by any means, happens at every club up and down the country. I have no problem with fume, boo's and anger during a game like what we suffered through the other day for example. I think that's different to people that go after a certain player they don't like or don't think should be playing, in an aggressive manner from literally the moment the game kicks off. I've been going games for 20+ years and that's not new and is something that has always, always bothered me. Nothing to do with changes in society and changing social expectations people have of one another. Just knobhead behaviour imo.
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I think fans behaviour has got worse in recent years, taking coke openly in toilets, excessively using offensive language. However I think at GP, stewards knew who was around them, as did fans and if someone was misbehaving fans would self police or stewards would give them a warning. I think we all agree fans can go over top, but stewards should deal with it at time. I think a lot of its down to poor stewarding, I've seen people get warnings before and they've stopped. Also you have people being allowed into ground who drunk or on drugs. Up until recently other than once at Sporting Lisbon and once against Arsenal I hadn't seen anyone totally of their heads until recently. It seems in recent years a lot more fans are more interested in drugs and drink than watching match. Which plays a huge part in people using C word repeatedly.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
The club should just outright say what the people have done to warrant these things. Because by keeping quiet they just leave it open to interpretation. If its racial or homophic in nature then then I'd like to know why they're being so shy about it. Shame those doing it. If however its just swearing (which is exactly what this is) then they might as well admit it. Just admit that they don't want us old school working class dinosaurs at the match anymore and would like us to either learn our place or move on for someone else to pay even more money for the privilege of watching the Merseyside Toffee Franchise playing soccer-ball.
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While selling them mementos of the greatest nights at Goodison (Bayern) when the crowd was savage.
 
I see fans above discussing the merits of swearing and putting forward the possibility that a lot of it is down to drugs/drink and that others are probably using discriminatory language...based on no evidence at all.

This is what the stadium management company want: self policing and division. Gramsci would call it cultural hegemony and they're attempting to impose it.

They're in the foothills of establishing the written and unwritten rules that the consumers must accept; and when you have a surplus army of other consumers ready to take their place if they dont comply it's a pretty effective weapon.

The only thing that throws a spanner in their works is collective action - they're powerless against that because they cant intimidate an organised group that'll hit back and have the support of most Evertonians.

Sure as night follows day we'll see organised groups that by-pass the paper tiger of the FAB and there'll be a challenge to all this swearing stuff and all the other grievances fans will have.
 

JelavicBrate2 said:
If it was about racist or homophobic language, club wouldn't put stickers on seats. And they wouldn't need to put warnings on seats. view is that, some fans have just cottoned on to fact you can snitch anonymously to club and get rid of supporters you don't like, so you can eat your Prawn Sandwiches in peace. My view is that increasingly people live in a world of their own and are unable to deal with people they don't like or opinions they disagree with. Also club want to get rid of working class supporters and replace them with tourists. People say offensive things at matches, mostly people know boundaries. If people went over top, our fans would police ourselves. If your offended by swearing stay at home. They didn't have them on seats at GP, why at Bramley Moore? When Everton had exactly same rules with regards to racist abuse. It seems an easy way to ban fans based on a vague accusation. "Offensive language" is highly subjective and is extremely vague o
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davek said:
I see fans above discussing the merits of swearing and putting forward the possibility that a lot of it is down to drugs/drink and that others are probably using discriminatory language...based on no evidence at all.

This is what the stadium management company want: self policing and division. Gramsci would call it cultural hegemony and they're attempting to impose it.

They're in the foothills of establishing the written and unwritten rules that the consumers must accept; and when you have a surplus army of other consumers ready to take their place if they dont comply it's a pretty effective weapon.

The only thing that throws a spanner in their works is collective action - they're powerless against that because they cant intimidate an organised group that'll hit back and have the support of most Evertonians.

Sure as night follows day we'll see organised groups that by-pass the paper tiger of the FAB and there'll be a challenge to all this swearing stuff and all the other grievances fans will have.
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Spot on this. Seriously though, why is the FAB incapable of taking in the Really important issues for the fans
 
This will be next.

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davek said:
Because they were designed to neuter dissent.

It's like that old saying about voting: if it changed anything you wouldn't have it.
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Yeh but there has been loads of fan stuff they could have taken on for the fans. But they are so half hearted about it…..eg transport to and from the ground or the massive queues to get a drink or food in parts of the ground….think every now and then they send a letter to who ever, just a bit pointless
 

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